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Former U.S. presidents are authorized a security detail from the Secret Service for life. If Trump loses the election and flees the country, does his security detail have to go with him if he requests it?

I imagine this could go down in a variety of ways: He departs the U.S. before he's sentenced and just never returns, or he attempts to flees or does flees the U.S. after his sentencing. Either way, what happens to his security detail?

If he attempts to flees after he's sentenced, I would hope the detail would refuse to take part in it (if he can even board a plane/leave the country to begin with), but given all their failings, who knows.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Security is a privilege, not a mandate. Nixon dropped his in 1985.

Becoming a fugitive from justice would count as voluntarily giving up lots of privileges, the very least of which would be a publicly funded security detail.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I imagine they would just arrest him and hand him over for protection. Any member who allowed it would be breaking their oath and supporting an enemy of the state at that point would they not?

Edit: I meant prosecution, not protection, but apparently people understood

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If we're gaming the whole scenario out, I imagine it would go something like this.

None of his current convictions are expected to come with a custodial sentence, but say he loses the election, and the more serious trials are heating up. At that point, he knows he's toast. 2028 is too late to run a fourth time; he's got no more hail marys, so he dismisses his detail completely, retreats to Florida, and sneaks away to Saudi Arabia in the middle of the night.

He's got a private jet, so getting out of the country shouldn't be a huge problem. But I think you're right that he has to set all this in motion before a guilty verdict is delivered. At that point, getting away from the secret service would be much more difficult.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

None of his current convictions are expected to come with a custodial sentence

Strict adherence to sentencing guidelines actually would see him jailed on his current convictions. If he isn't given some kind of imprisonment it will be because the judge was afraid of the aftermath.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The minimum sentence is a hefty fine, but the judge in that very trial already determined that fines do not discourage Trump's behavior, given the contempt punishment that he ignored, so I don't think it's going to be a slap on the wrist for him unless the judge truly is a hypocrite or a coward.

That being said, even if he gets prison for each of his felony counts, he can serve them all concurrently, a maximum of 3 years per count. So he could theoretically be out of prison right before the next election cycle with a year left to campaign for 2028, that is assuming he truly is sentenced immediately after the election in November and it's not just pushed back indefinitely due to recount horseshit or Trump crazies doing another insurrection.

But there are other trials that are far more likely to result in additional prison time, the most important two being the classified documents case and the Jan 6th case. I have faith that the justice system will eventually follow through with punishing Trump, but the system is set up to slow-walk the rich and powerful to accountability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's an accurate summation for my understanding as well. Things that the judge should look at when considering a minimum sentence are defendant cooperation, displays of genuine remourse, and indications that the defendant is unlikely to continue breaking the law. If the judge can find any of that, it's beyond me how.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I don't think he's got four years left in him. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets slow-walked so hard that he dies before getting sent to prison.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

he has to set all this in motion before a guilty verdict is delivered.

Well that ship sailed.