40
US: Muslim groups urge voters to back Jill Stein, Cornel West or other pro-Palestine candidates
(www.middleeasteye.net)
this post was submitted on 21 Sep 2024
40 points (64.1% liked)
United States | News & Politics
7211 readers
203 users here now
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Hey, bud, I'm betting the actual Muslims who are affected probably have a better grasp of the situation and their values and associated risks/benefits behind their own advocacy and politics than your (presumably highly privileged) disconnected-from-their-struggle self; and inserting yourself to belittle them as if you know better than they theymselfs what's 'good for them,' is a very chauvinist and colonialist outlook and a reinforcement of white supremacist norms and attitudes. You should try listening rather than projecting and belittling.
None of that has anything to do with it.
This is the issue at hand: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
There's a legitimate mathematical limitation on 3rd parties under first past the post voting, the way America does elections. Until we get ranked choice voting and the ability to vote intelligently that it would unlock, failing to vote for Kamala is voting for trump.
By that same logic a vote for Harris is a vote against Jill Stein or Cornel West. -I actually like the Green Party, the candidate, and associated policy I'm voting for. –If all you're concerned about is voting against Trump, then can you honestly argue that you actually like Harris? -I'm betting your answer is 'no' seeing that out of ~12 candidates she ranked somewhere behind a wet-blanket in the 2020 Democrat primaries.
No, it's literally not. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. A vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein is exactly a vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein.
If you want to argue the math and the practicality of who people vote for in our current system, fine, but don't gaslight people by telling them that their vote for one candidate is actually a vote for a different candidate.
This has been explained many times
Learn a second adverb.
There was an article posted in another magazine thread that spoke about needing to iterate America's core values. What are they? Freedom to starve and be homeless, or be locked up and become a chattel slave, or work several jobs as s wage slave; freedom of press owned by a handful of superwealthy people and corporations, many of whom are in the energy and arms industries; freedom of low quality food that contain carcinogenic pesticide residues, colors, flavors and growth hormones and routine antibiotics. Freedom to die from easily treatable conditions because you can't afford care of medications, even if you purchase mandated Medicare?
Justice? For whom? The people who are incarcerated because of fabricated evidence of having to take plea deals because you can't afford a good lawyer? The ones executed, despite exculpatory evidence? How about executive branch government members who lead insurrection, or legislators that make insider trading legal for themselves but not us, or of the legislative branch who take gifts of great monetary value and have loans forgiven?
How about too big to fail industries?
Freedom of speech? Two tiered.
Profit at the expense of all else; making sure the USD remains the world reserve currency, by manufacturing fake wmds to invade a sovereign nation, so that nation would not convert their UN food-for-oil account from petrodollar to Petroeuro? Taking foreign money to defeat more progressive candidates that would absolutely vote not to support genocide with money, weapons, air support? Conveniently forgetting concern over certain nations' infatuation with Nazi idealism to continue the tired red scare propaganda?
Guns!
What are America's core values?
Ummm you’re arguing with a bit/troll. Why waste your time effort.
Unfortunately we have a 2 party system.
A or B
A sucks and B is much worse
Voting for C or abstaining is a passive endorsement of the greater of the two sucks.
—
If you and the Muslim community want to hump for a third party, good, let’s fucken talk about getting that started…
The day AFTER Election Day. —
The day after election day. The day on which you no longer have any leverage.
Liberals and an inability to grasp electoralism. Name a more iconic duo.
Why would anyone who gets elected start catering when they are most unaccountable?
You want a seat at the table you don’t start at the top you start at the bottom.
Where is the Green Party for the three years preceding each presidential election cycle?
I don't believe green voters expect them to win, nor is it possible to work your way up from the bottom in the US electoral system.
The two party system still allows voters to pressure politicians into appealing to them.
When the amount of people withholding their vote grows large enough, one of the two parties will cave to win over their vote. They cannot win an election on thin air.
The question now is whether this important swing-state voter group is appealing enough for Democrats to cave, or they believe they can beat Trump without them.
Today is after election day, buddy. You had your chance to listen to those actually effected by trump and Biden. You didn't and think everyone magically forgot what trump was like, so you try to scare monger so your chosen neoliberal nightmare grey's elected and nothing improves ever.
Both candidates are shit, one is way worse
Do what you want, obviously, it’s just stupid in my opinion to enable the worst possible choice directly or indirectly. Unless you don’t live here, then I guess it matters less, maybe not at all… except if you’re Greenland and trump tries to buy you again, then you’re screwed 🤷♂️
There is always one that is "way worse" to one side of sycophants or the other. That is the exclusive reason we have the political system we do. Voting for one neoliberal or the other will never improve things.
Yeah, good luck dude
Hope doing the exact same thing again works out differently for you.
I don’t know, if Iceland were doing something that would impact me, I don’t know if I have a good enough grasp on Icelands political system to make good strategic decisions.
The idea that because someone is hurt by something they would automatically know the best course of action is sorta nonsense. If a bear attacks me and a biologist that studies bears shouts advice at me, going “you fucking chauvinist colonialist asshole, the bear isn’t even attacking you, stay in your lane!” is probably a bad course of action.
America, one of the most powerful nations on earth, has one of the weirdest compromise ass backwards electoral systems on earth. I imagine a lot of Palestinians trying to survive right now aren’t having a ton of free time to brush up on the mechanics of the electoral college and the nuances of electoral politics. When the people they trust to do that in their name tell them “adopt a strategy that means your voice will be completely silenced” it might be a good time to assess whether or not they got that one right.
Did you just assume their religion?!? And nationality? And race?
Shut the fuck up.