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Read The State and Revolution. Communists support the replacement of bourgeois "democracy" with far more democratic structures via a popular revolution. Asserting the will of the many against the will of the minority is democratic.
Revolution isn't democracy.
Communism is based on revolution, to remove the bad apples, not on democracy & voting.
You all in this thread are like Good!=Bad ? Nooo there is good in bad!!
Democracy and Communism are two very (very) distinct systems. What did you do in school to confound or conflate the two of them?!
Revolution is a mass popular movement to remove the minority from power to install the majority. A revolutionary movement without mass backing is not successful. Revolution is not done via election, yes, but that does not mean it is not democratic.
Communism uses a revolution to create a more democratic system than the prior dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
No idea what this means.
Communists advocate for mass popular movement and the installation of a democratic worker-state that will wither away over time into an administration of things, rather than a policing of people.
Read the book I linked.
Democratic and democracy isn't the same thing.
I get what you are going at, but I just hate the muddying of the waters.
Thanks for the link but I know enough about political systems (theoretical and real, and those to oretend be) and don't need some random indoctrination ;-)
Communists advocate asserting the will of the majority to make a more democratic system. Both sides are democratic, even if they aren't reformist.
How is it "indoctrination?" Why speak about Communism at all if you don't know what Communists are talking about in the first place?
I do know what communism is, I do not need to read some random book you refer to to "understand".
So I should read books that communists are talking about?
That's indoctrination 101.
Go get a history book instead or trying to pump up your communism with cozy democracy.
Democracy is good, communism is an utopian dream that is very nice but never functions, like anarchism and a bunch of others. But I guess your book says that it can work, like for real this time.
You don't need to answer, we're on completely different wavelengths here.
Good luck with your communism though, I'm staying in democracy!
Evidently you do not understand if you don't even know what Communists advocate and are unwilling to learn, despite your protests otherwise.
I have, I recommend Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti. Super good book on what did and didn't work in the USSR, and how it was dissolved, and how the Capitalist aftermath killed 7 million people. Communism is perfectly compatible with democracy because it's democratic.
Communism did and does work. Communists are anti-Utopian, they don't believe there's a magic system you can just will into existence if everyone believes hard enough, but instead must be built. I suggest reading Socialism: Utopian and Scientific for more information, it goes over the failures of Utopian Socialists like the Owenites and how Marxism is Scientific instead.
Evidently. I advocate for reading and learning about subjects before speaking about them, and you advocate for deliberately not reading lest you be "corrupted" or "indoctrinated." I have engaged with Liberalism all my life, and don't consider myself "indoctrinated" by it despite that, so I don't think reading a single book or two will "indoctrinate" you.
Again, Communism is democratic, just not reformist.
never... except all the times they have
Don’t waste your time with permanently online commies
They are too self unaware to even know how dumb they sound and unfortunately infest this site like some kind of fruit flies. Harmless but annoying
I even sometimes collect their hot takes for public viewing elsewhere. It is never ending source of entertainment