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LLMs have a strong bias against use of African American English (arstechnica.com)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That “V” is for vernacular, it excludes written English by definition.

Yeah. But most people "write" online like they speak...

https://commonwealthtimes.org/2021/02/18/aave-is-not-your-internet-slang-it-is-black-culture/

If people followed rules about language, yeah, vernacular would just be spoken speech. But that's not how it works. The rules are made to reflect what people are doing. The rules don't control what people do.

So yes, while the word vernacular commonly meant only spoken words, there ain't nothing stopping nobody from typing like they speak.

And people been doing it for a long time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah. But most people “write” online like they speak…

That's a common misconception.

While your written and spoken varieties do interact a fair bit, no, people don't "write like they speak". Not even online.

And that is not simply an "ackshyually". A lot of AAVE features simply don't transpose into writing - like prosody, non-rhoticity, /ɪ/-breaking, /äɪ/-monophtongisation... at most you can consciously approximate them into writing, but they won't be there.

If people followed rules about language, yeah, vernacular would just be spoken speech. But that’s not how it works. The rules are made to reflect what people are doing.

That is not about people following/not following "rules", it's about nomenclature - it's exactly the reason why "AAE" and "AAVE" are necessary as separated terms.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

at most you can consciously approximate them into writing, but they won’t be there.

....

A lot of the difficulty older white people have with it, is it's spelled phonetically to maintain those things.

I gave you a link, lots of people have talked about this, it's not just some idea I came up with.

You're still talking like language has to follow the rules.

That's backwards. The rules change to follow the language

Ain't you old enough to have heard "ain't ain't a word because it ain't in the dictionary"?

Well, now it is.

And now the dictionary lists "figuratively" as one of the definitions for "literally".

Insist on following rules, and the dictionary wouldn't update.

I don't know how to put it anymore plainly, I'm sorry if you still don't understand

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

More and more people are using speech to text. And it does show how differently people speak than write (apparently I never say my be in because, for example).

But it also means that llms aren't only being fed text, but also speech converted into text.