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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Humans are just as much part of nature as everything else

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

a common definition of nature is the stuff that is untouched by humans.

as wiktionary puts it:

flora and fauna as distinct from human conventions, art, and technology

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Some indigenous peoples cooperate with their natural environment. Humans are fundamentally a keystone species that's collectively gotten really bad at it, to get good at other things. We could have human conventions, art, and technology that works entirely with nature and our environment rather than against it. Between these facts, I'm not a fan of that definition.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Would that make invasive species unnatural? When does a disrupted ecosystem become natural again?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If i see you get attacked by wild animals i guess i won't try to help you, wouldn't want to go against nature or anything

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's funny how this is downvoted. Not that I agree, but wouldn't that be the logical conclusion?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Rest assured, i don't agree with it either, but as you say this seems to follow from the statement

We shouldn't treat/cure cancer, cancer happens in nature and we're a part of nature
We shouldn't try to prevent rape, rape happens in nature and we're part of nature
We shouldn't try to limit animal suffering, animal suffering happens in nature and we're part of nature

It's the good old argument from naturalism