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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is this because FIDO2 is flawed, the yubikey hardware design is flawed or both?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It’s due to a cryptographic library implementation in a controller used in the yubikey. It’s a third party controller, and this isn’t exclusive to yubikeys either, a shitload of other stuff uses the same controller and is likely vulnerable to the same attack.

Also, the attack requires around $10k worth of equipment and physical access to the yubikey, so while a valid attack vector, it’s also not something to get into a panic about.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And this is why Duress passwords exist

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Can i create such a thing for qubes os? Would be cool the have decryption screen look like windows login and if duress password entered it boots to a live windows image instead and obviously sends out relevent alerts etc. I suppose u would also want a second duress password that just shreds everything as well.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Also, at least for the Yubi implementation, fixable in software, firmware >= 5.7 not vulnerable. Also not upgradeable, so replace keys if you're worried about nation-state attacks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

for reference 5.7 began shipping with keys May of this year.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I went into the article thinking I’d need to replace my keys, and after reading decided I’m a very unlikely target for this attack. My threat model doesn’t include nation states, so I’m gonna keep using my yubikeys for the foreseeable future.

I have been thinking about new hardware key(s) that can handle more than 20 passkeys, but that’s not a high priority for me right now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's definitely not something a regular user should panic over. But it's a huge deal since a lot of high security, sensitive targets also rely on the same library.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Definitely. Not to be ignored, but for lots of yubikey users, also not something to be overly worried about.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty concerning if my backup key can just be cloned that easily. It means now I need to invest in a much better safe, which I guess was probably always a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

if my backup key can just be cloned that easily

Do you consider $10,000 of equipment plus breaking your safe and extracting your pin to be easy? Who did you get on the wrong side of!?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Couldn't you just use the yubikey like normal if you have physical access to it instead of copying it ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

In fact reading through the article it sounds like they would need to use it to extract the secret. I guess the end goal for this would be to maintain surreptitious access to something after returning the key to the target, either to build a criminal case or for espionage purposes.

Given that the vulnerability may also apply to other secure access card/devices I suppose it could also be used if a nation-state wanted to use an impostor to access secure facilities.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While the researchers have confirmed all YubiKey 5 series models can be cloned, they haven’t tested other devices using the microcontroller, such as the SLE78 made by Infineon and successor microcontrollers known as the Infineon Optiga Trust M and the Infineon Optiga TPM. The researchers suspect that any device using any of these three microcontrollers and the Infineon cryptographic library contains the same vulnerability.

Both. The cryptographic library in question is also used in other cryptographic applications too, so it's a huge mess.