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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Deflections, bad faith arguments, and denial. Truly the copium of the proletariat. Right comrade?

You couldn't rebut a single point. And your best attempts teetered on cherry picked unrepresentative data. Oh for a short period things were different from what I claimed before becoming what I claimed?! Well then I stand....correct?

And seriously with the everything is the wests fault schtick? I'm not defending the west. But if all the bad things are the fault of the west. You're being dishonest. I will freely point out how the Union was industrialized. How, for a short time it brought around great benefit to the proletariat. As all automation should. And the marvels of science and research pioneered under the union. That doesn't justify or excuse the negatives. Don't bullshit me with there being no new ascendant bourgeoisie rot at the top. Greed and selfishness is a part of human nature. Not just "the west". And those with too much power and wealth, regardless of their ideology, always work things to their personal benefit. Don't think others can't see bullshit when you put it out.

[-] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago

Deflections, bad faith arguments, and denial. Truly the copium of the proletariat. Right comrade?

Why don't you go point by point instead of categorically dismissing my comment?

That doesn't justify or excuse the negatives.

I don't need to justify or excuse the negatives. Stalinism and the great terror were excessive, arbitrary, pointless, cruel, and harmful. Dekulakization and the collectivisation of land was a fucking mess. But there was no bourgeoisie in the USSR and there is no continuity of governance or system between the USSR and modern Russia. I beg you, answer my previous comment point by point, I'm dying to see how you call a bureaucrat "a bourgeois".

Please answer and give me examples of functioning anarcho-communist revolutions, or even the theory of how it would work.

And those with too much power and wealth

Again, I fully agree that there was too much of an accumulation of power in the top spheres of the USSR. There was an ossification of power. Leadership was until death which is absurd, and the lack of criticism of the leader is even more absurd. It's what led the USSR to its dismantling, I fully agree with it. I just don't agree with calling it "yet another form of capitalism" or saying that "there was a bourgeoisie" or that "there's a continuum in the form of government of the USSR and modern Russia". And no, there weren't people with too much wealth in the USSR, the only way to get a salary was through a job since nobody could exploit others using private capital, no rentists, no bourgeoisie.

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