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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is a fundamental and critical misunderstanding of what Communism is, and what Marx refers to as a State. Marx makes himself clear in Critique of the Gotha Programme, but the State for Marx isn't just "government." Marx was vehemontly anti-Anarchist, not out of principle disagreements, but on a practical and rational basis.

For Marx, the State is the element of government by which class society sustains and protects itself. Ie, private property rights, and the police that protect it. Communism would have a government, its own police, and its own structures and administration through central planning. The State whithering away, as Marx puts it, is the slow lack of retaining the former elements of class society. For example, we no longer have Streetlamp Lighters, as streetlamps are electric now. This wasn't because they were targeted and eliminated, but simply fell out of favor with the progression of society.

Once power is obtained it's never willingly dispersed. This has been the fate of existing all communist governments

This right here is the crux of your misunderstanding. Carrying over from the whithering away elaboration from my last paragraph, the government is not supposed to intentionally collapse itself, it's supposed to remain a democratic worker government, and continue to be built up over time.

Different AES states have seen their own issues, but none of them have been due to "not willingly giving up power," which is a fundamental misconception of how these AES States function, or what the Marxist path to Communism truly is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Communism would have a government, its own police, and its own structures and administration through central planning.

I don't get how this just whithers away

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It doesn't.

What does whither away are things like Private Property Rights and other elements by which Capitalist society maintains itself.

The "whithering away of the State" is one of the most commonly taken out of context aspects of Marxism, most people associate the State with all aspects of Government. Marx does not make that same association, and used the word State as shorthand for the aforementioned Capitalist elements of government.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've read Marx and I'm happy with my interpretation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Believing Marxism to be "fatally flawed" because you completely misunderstood his works to the foundational level is silly though, right? Marxism isn't literary fiction or anything, where you can apply Death of the Author and write about your own personal meaning from the text, Marx was very clear both in writing and in speeches, and Marxists have studied and built on his original body of work.

You don't have to take it from me alone, Marxism is extremely thoroughly documented and understood, flexible, adaptable, and widely discussed.