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[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 months ago (56 children)

It's the one with a dev that thinks that replacing "he" by "they" is political propaganda?

Yeah, no thanks.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Can you provide some context?

Edit: I found the context. Here and here.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

maybe I'm not seeing where the smoking gun is, here. I see a guy saying something akin to "can we not do this here in the github please"

and then I see a bunch of people blowing up and yelling about "dehumanization" over it.

...why is this such a huge deal exactly?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Absolutely nothing. The fact that they had to bring up a totally irrelevant 3 year old issue during an event that is supposed to be celebrated tells you a lot. They have been blatantly brigading various communities just for attention, and probably to get the dev cancelled or something. Even this post, the privacy community does not need this whole chain of replies. And yet, they overshadow every legit discussion with this bullshit unprompted.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

so I don't understand. why are all these comments yelling the same stuff? did they just decide to harass this one guy for saying "take it somewhere else, please"?

I'm trying to find anything malicious in anything he's said. I'm finding nothing but a dude working on a browser.

this kind of behavior scares me greatly. I know individuals who have been victims of real transphobia. this seems to be a simple language difference. and I think targeting this guy is a mistake.

Flooding and being loud doesn't make them right. it just means they're loud.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I’m trying to find anything malicious in anything he’s said

They use the "silence is violence" trope to harass and terrorize projects, hiding behind their "protected status" as a transgender. Whenever someone rejects anything that calls for "greater inclusion", they go nuclear and tell all their friends to do the same. The bullied becomes the bully. It's very childish. It's always people that never contribute any meaningful code as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol

I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Open mindedness is a key factor for success (especially in open source). Inclusivity demonstrates open mindedness. The fact that the lead dev goes out of his way to prevent such a minor change (it's not even like people demanded a strict CoC or something) is a bad signal

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Changing "he" to "they" isn't a political change, or shouldn't be if you're not a fucking shithead

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I’m dumb, but I completely do not understand what the dev did to upset people.

I read the thread and I’m confused about it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Can you provide some context?

This Mastodon post discusses it and has links to the PRs: https://ruby.social/@denis/112718132053579597

This one for SerenityOS shows Kling's response to a very minor and neutral change.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the heads up. Not worth the time

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

for someone who can speak a language that lacks gendered pronouns, this "hysteria" over he/she/they is ridiculous!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As someone who speaks a language with gendered pronouns but no neutral option, this is very awkward to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

yes, it's awkward for the "individual" who is longing for reliable expression

it also seems to be awkward for people who can't figure out the changes in the language they think as their own. They are irritated by their "disfigured" reflection

it's awkward for officials who need to make decisions (positive or negative) about the use of "inclusive" language

we give shape to languages and languages shape us

English could initially have neutral pronouns and people would be obliged to find other reasons to hate each other 🤷

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well on the contrary you should understand it more. A gendered pronoun carries an idea of gender, and having a genderless pronoun frees the sentence of this gender assumption. Nothing very hard to understand.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

that's what i thought i meant but thanks for the lesson I've never needed

even your comment is, for me, coming from that ridiculous tension

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