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Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment which states that an otherwise benevolent artificial superintelligence (AI) in the future would be incentivized to create a virtual reality simulation to torture anyone who knew of its potential existence but did not directly contribute to its advancement or development, in order to incentivize said advancement.It originated in a 2010 post at discussion board LessWrong, a technical forum focused on analytical rational enquiry. The thought experiment's name derives from the poster of the article (Roko) and the basilisk, a mythical creature capable of destroying enemies with its stare.

While the theory was initially dismissed as nothing but conjecture or speculation by many LessWrong users, LessWrong co-founder Eliezer Yudkowsky reported users who panicked upon reading the theory, due to its stipulation that knowing about the theory and its basilisk made one vulnerable to the basilisk itself. This led to discussion of the basilisk on the site being banned for five years. However, these reports were later dismissed as being exaggerations or inconsequential, and the theory itself was dismissed as nonsense, including by Yudkowsky himself. Even after the post's discreditation, it is still used as an example of principles such as Bayesian probability and implicit religion. It is also regarded as a simplified, derivative version of Pascal's wager.

Found out about this after stumbling upon this Kyle Hill video on the subject. It reminds me a little bit of "The Game".

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Everything old is new again. Sounds a lot like certain sects of Christianity. They say you need to accept Jesus to go to heaven, otherwise you go to hell, for all eternity. But what about all the people who had no opportunity to even learn who Jesus is? "Oh, they get a pass", the evangelists say when confronted with this obvious injustice. So then aren't you condemning entire countries and cultures to hell by spreading "the word"?

Both are ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In this case this wouldn't apply, as you would never be simulated as (say) a kid in the middle ages, just as a version of yourself in the timeframe leading to the creation of the basilisk. You should be one of the persons alive when the basilisk arises to be of any use to it. Only those would need to be tested.

I feel like abdul alhazred explaining these things to people while being aware of the risks :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They don't get a pass. That's why they establish missionaries to spread the Jesus virus

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What about the people who lived in the Americas or the Pacific 1800 years ago? These people could not have heard of Jesus as missionaries could not have spread any word to them at this time.

(And while I'm about it, Christianity was a whole different thing back then - the Trinity hadn't been invented, there were multiple sects with very different ideas, what books would be in the New Testament had not been decided, etc etc. People with beliefs of that time would seem highly unorthodox today, and the Christianity of today would be seen as heretical by those in the 3rd century, so who's going to heaven again?)

Purgatory was invented for the purpose of not sending good people who had not heard of Jesus to hell. But still, these people were denied their chance to get to heaven which seems mighty unfair.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

"God works in mysterious ways" -is what a religious person would probably say when you pointed out logical flaws in their beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Oh, they goin straight to hell

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

They are all roasting, says christians.