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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I still think this has been a useful conversion, because it has helped me understand what you actually meant to say.

What I think you're trying to say is that moving left failed to prevent voters from protesting, which I'm completely in agreement here.

If courting left wing voters fails to get them out to vote, then politicians are just going to pander to center/right voters.

Your phrasing was just really weird, because you keep arguing that moving left is what triggered the voters to protest, but they would have protested either way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

JFC I don't know how you misread things so badly. Go read from the very start

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

She did lose because she moved a little bit left and the voters did not show up.

~~We're saying you don't understand cause and effect.~~

~~You are saying A (moving left) caused B (losing).~~

~~If A didn't happen, then B also would not have happened. Therefore, "if she had stayed to the right, she would have won."~~

Edit: I think I figured out what I've got wrong. If I rephrase what you said, then it makes more sense:

"She did lose because the voters did not show up, even though she moved a little left."