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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Every four years the new voters learn how fucked up their country is, and how ignorant their countrymen are, and the smart ones learn they're never going to get to vote for someone who isn't going to continue America's decades-long horrific foreign policy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We could vote for someone else. We just have to do three very important things:

  1. Stop bickering amongst ourselves.
  2. Come together under a single unified stratagem even if we don't all agree 100% on it. This can be substituted for coming under a unified banner.
  3. Continue pushing after the election has ended instead of the usual "Oop, election done. All good." and then panic four years later.

ALL OF THESE, each individual step, are massive steps to expect and to take. Yet they are what would fix things. The biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is finding leaders people can rally behind. Because make no mistake: Anyone leading this would be in significant danger, and I think most people know that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Continue pushing after the election has ended instead of the usual “Oop, election done. All good.” and then panic four years later.

Pushing what exactly? Is there some kind of button everyone else is aware of? Perhaps it's a lever?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure is: Bottom-up reform and mass peaceful civil unrest in the form of large marches and demonstrations, to use a few magic button words. These do work. However, and I'm with our country's leadership on this thought process: They don't expect us to be able to pull it off.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The reason you don't see working people truly represented in politics is because whole system was set up by rich people a long time ago and there was a good reason for that - they had the money and time to devote to it. The same is true today. Most working folks simply do not have the time and resources, or will, to find and support the people they want to see in power. Additionally, the modern oligarchs keep most occupied with entertainment and worrying about "the other" folks. As the rich consolidate wealth it becomes even more true. Now we can add espionage into the equation. Russia, China and Iran benefit by pouring money into destabilization tactics through psyops programs designed to destabilize the US. This is accomplished through massive social disinformation, like we often see here and on Fox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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This!

( markdown ruined my ability to do a proper ascii up-arrow.

Humbug. : )

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unless you mean "because they emigrate", then they're not that smart. By not voting, they acquiesce to whatever becomes policy. They silence their own voice. Pretty damn stupid imo

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even if you vote you acquiesce to what's in charge. It's not like me voting for Biden will stop me being subject to Trump's whims if he wins. It's not like Scott Perry isn't my fucking "representative." That's how government works: Whoever wins makes the rules regardless of how anyone voted, even if they didn't.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s not like me voting for Biden will stop me being subject to Trump’s whims if he wins.

You voting for Biden helps Trump not win.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I am aware that elections are a thing.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yay! Congratulations. Now vote for the last bad choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Like I haven't been doing that for the last quarter century...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Damn you sound like me at my job sometimes. What's the point of it never ends? Oh right, it turns out I like to eat

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Politics means being annoyed, angry, and depressed about things you can't change in any meaningful way every year until you die. Or every four years if you're lucky enough to be able to ignore it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't seem to be doing anything but I guess you're welcome

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Gay marriage and the ACA tend to disagree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Gay marriage was implemented by the courts and I'm no fan of the ACA