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On average, but there's outliers.
Like, there are women out there with higher testorone than the average man, and crazy is a huge factor.
I played rugby in college and we hung out with the women's team and drunk coed wrestling was definitely a common thing.
Every once and a while a non rugby player would think it was just an excuse to roll around with a hot chick, and they would get absolutely demolished. Like I'm not talking about underestimating the woman and losing quickly due to technical skill. Just getting absolutely manhandled by a girl without the socially ingrained fear of violence and pain. Like, I was one of the biggest guys on the men's team and had wrestling experience, I still lost to some of them. Women almost a foot shorter and that I had more than 50 pounds on. Because they really wanted that W and kept trying till they got it.
Hell, for two years we had coed practice including full speed tackling and scrimmages. Top end speed was usually the only clear difference, and even then the fastest five players on the field was never all guys.
There was a story on Reddit from a soldier, his squad ended up in a fight with rugby players in a bar in Australia and after the fight they had a drink together and when a soldier told the players they were pretty brave to start fighting people in the army, they replied "the only people we fear is women who play rugby".
No, that doesn't happen, the adrenal glands and ovaries do not produce enough t to reach even very low male levels, testosterone for the most part is produced in the testicules which cis women do not have. that much testosterone would transition a woman into a man, they would grow beard and get a deeper voice, that's how HRT works for FtMs.
Plenty of people with XY chromosomes can't grow facial and have a high pitched voice well into their 20s or even after
And plenty of people with XX chromosomes shave/wax/bleach facial hair and have deep voices.
Hormones aren't binary, there's a bunch of different hormones that can be in a lot of different ranges
And that's not even getting into the other options besides XX/XY
Stop trying to make everyone conform to your binary views on gender.
He's not talking about gender he's talking about sex. Someone born with testicles with XY chromosomes is always going to produce more testosterone than someone born with ovaries with XX chromosomes - assuming both sexual organs are functioning as expected.
These people are very fact-resistant, I wouldn't bother.
Oh, nice to know that girl who beat me (in the same weight class) at wrestling was cuz her sexual organs weren't working properly.
We're talking about testosterone in blood not wrestling abilities. A 300lb woman will beat an 110lb man in wrestling. Doesn't mean she has higher T.
Amazing how one can dismiss another's personal experience by simply insisting a different scenario happened.
What personal experience am I dismissing? Please explain. I'm talking about human anatomy. The organ that produces testosterone are the testicles. Ovaries produce a token amount.
We are talking about T % in blood. Not personal experiences.
Bro, don't pretend you know what a woman's T levels are if you never met them.
Sorry this is bothering me a bit but if by "He" you meant me, I use she/her pronouns I'll put It in my bio :)
Changed it. I always assume people online are male for some reason. I didn't read your username
Thanks! 💜
A whole bunch of shit while ignoring all the contex...
I'm talking about 18-22 year olds and the women are on the women's rugby team comparing them to men who have never needed to shave and their voice hasn't cracked.
If you think every 18-22 year old guys has been thru puberty...
That's as ridiculous as not understanding that hight T women would be attracted to high level athletics and then overly represented in elite athletes.
What you are doing is the equivalent of someone who stops paying attention to science in sixth grade but believes they're an expert at 47.
You got the cliff notes version and think people should address you as Doctor.
Shits a lot more complicated than you think.
A high T woman is 70 ng/dL and that already is starting to imply some sort of adrenal tumor or polycystic ovary syndrome. The normal range is a lot closer to 20~30
A low T man is ~250 ng/dL and average is around 400~500 ng/dL
A woman will not have T levels similar to men because they don't have testicles. Even the highest T females compared to lowest T men.
The only time this would be true is in 1 in 10 million cases. If that's your whole argument, then OK. It is theoretically possible if the woman has an adrenal tumor and the man is effectively castrated.
But for virtually all other cases this simply cannot happen due to human physiology.
What do you not understand about 18-22?
Which, if you haven't noticed, is still the age range of a lot of Olympians and elite athletes.
Hell, some sports average under 18.
It's like you didn't even read my comment. You're just fucking insisting everything fits in your nice little division of two piles and no one else can exist.
It's the same line of thinking as transphobes...
And I have no desire to ever interact with people stuck in that thinking. And immediately regret trying to help you understand the finer points.
No I don't understand what you mean about 18-22. What difference does that make?
18-22 is a fully sexually mature adult. The testicles and ovaries are already functional by 14 in overwhelming majority of the population.
And yes I'm putting everything into two piles. Either you have testicles or you don't. If you have functioning testicles, you will always have more T than someone who doesn't.
No it's not? You're saying things that don't make sense, if you're assigned female at birth you have ovaries (assuming no intersex condition) if you're assigned male at birth you have testicules (assuming same thing)
The ovaries produce estrogen (in three different forms E2 is the most important) And progesterone. The testicules produce testosterone and testosterone can decay into dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
If an individual has more estrogen they will have a female phenotype (essentially they will look like a woman have breasts soft skin etc...)
If an individual has more Testosterone and DHT they will have a male phenotype. ( More strength, stronger jaw, more body hair, going bald in a lot of cases)
I'm a Trans woman, the point of hormone replacement therapy is to take my testosterone away and give me estrogen instead, after a while (and possibly some surgeries for bone structure) I'll look like a woman, because that's what hormones do. In the same vein since I don't have T in my blood anymore I am losing strength, and my body hair is getting thinner (although if it could hurry up a bit!) there's nothing transphobic about acknowledging that happens, it's literally the desired effect!
If you're still confused about NB people just know that some do take cross sex hormones to achieve a more androgynous look.
The perfect deal if they're into that