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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

no one fucking told me about states banning RCV during all that yapping on here about how i should VOTE THIRD PARTY OR ELSE IM COMPLICIT in the DNCs CRIMES

it may or may not be joever, very blackpilled at this moment

edit it’s actually 10 states. 5 in the past two months.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

your characterization is bad faith. my degree is in philosophy. i know what my ethics are, and it's not "Bask in innocence at all costs". it's "do the right thing". the right thing cannot be determined by the outcome since we can't know the future, so it would be impossible to know what the right thing to do is. therefore, the ethics of the action must be in the action itself. murdering people is bad. pulling the lever is bad. qed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You do know the future though. At least - to some extent. You know that one of two candidates is going to be elected, not matter what. Or, at least, almost no matter what. Maybe a huge asteroid will hit the Earth and the elections won't matter. But the probability for these is so low, that you can effectively "count on" the fact that one of these two candidates is going to get elected.

The only question is which one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

knowledge of the future is impossible since you can only know true things and the future hasn't happened yet, so it has no truth value.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the entire anti-voting argument based on the knowledge that the candidate you'll vote for will do bad things in the future?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

no? it's knowing what they've said and done in the past

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What they've said and done in the past serves as an indicator for what they'll do in the future if elected. If you ignore that aspect, then voting becomes a system for rewarding politicians rather than a system for deciding the future of a country.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

but the ethics can't be in what they do in the future. the ethics of the action are in the vote itself, and the only information yo uhave is about the past.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So... ^(1)^ voting for bad people is bad, not because they'll do bad things if they'll be put in power, but because ^jump\ to\ (1)^?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the ethics are in the action itself. yes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So it all boils down to "because I said so" and I can't argue with that because you really did say so...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I'm not over here trying to argue you out of consequentialism. there is absolutely no way you're going to argue a degreed philosopher out of deontology (today. you could learn, maybe)