this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2024
43 points (82.1% liked)

No Stupid Questions

35726 readers
3091 users here now

No such thing. Ask away!

!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.

All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.



Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.

If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.



Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.

If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.



Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.



Credits

Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!

The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

I saw people complaining the companies are yet to find the next big thing with AI, but I am already seeing countless offer good solutions for almost every field imaginable. What is this thing the tech industry is waiting for and what are all these current products if not what they had in mind?

I am not great with understanding the business point of view of this situation and I have been out from the news for a long time, so I would really appreciate if someone could ELI5.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Here's a secret. It's not true AI. All the hype is marketing shit.

Large language models like GPT, llama, and Gemini don't create anything new. They just regurgitate existing data.

You can see this when chat bots keep giving the same 2 pieces incorrect information. They have no concept of they are wrong.

Until a llm can understand why it is wrong we won't have true AI.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's just a stupid probability bucket. The term AI shits me.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Statistical methods have been a longstanding mainstay in the field of AI since its inception. I think the trouble is that the term AI has been co-opted for marketing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It is true AI, it's just not AGI. Artificial General Intelligence is the sort of thing you see on Star Trek. AI is a much broader term and it encompasses large language models, as well as even simpler things like pathfinding algorithms or OCR. The term "AI" has been in use for this kind of thing since 1956, it's not some sudden new marketing buzzword that's being misapplied. Indeed, it's the people who are insisting that LLMs are not AI that are attempting to redefine a word that's already been in use for a very long time.

You can see this when chat bots keep giving the same 2 pieces incorrect information. They have no concept of they are wrong.

Reminds me of the classic quote from Charles Babbage:

"On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question"

How is the chatbot supposed to know that the information it's been given is wrong?

If you were talking with a human and they thought something was true that wasn't actually true, do you not count them as an intelligence any more?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

If you were talking with a human and they thought something was true that wasn't actually true, do you not count them as an intelligence any more?

If they refuse to learn and change their belief? Absolutely.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's not a secret. The industry constantly talks about the difference between LLMs and AGI.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Until a product goes through marketing and they slap that 'Using AI' into the blurb when it doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

LLMs are AI. They are not AGI. AGI is a particular subset of AI, that does not preclude non-general AI from being AI.

People keep talking about how it just regurgitates information, and says incorrect things sometimes, and hallucinates or misinterprets things, as if humans do not also do those things. Most people just regurgitate information they found online, true or false. People frequently hallucinate things they think are true and stubbornly refuse to change when called out. Many people cannot understand when and why they're wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People can also stop saying words and think for a second about the information they're actually saying first, whereas an LLM just vomits up words that seem to match the pattern of the rest of the sentence. If I were to ask you what 2 + 2 is, you'd stop, run the math in your head, get 4, then reply with 4. An LLM would just start vomiting out words based on what it's been trained on without verifying that the information is good (or even relevant), and can end up confidently telling you that 2 + 2 is in fact equal to the cube root of 5 because that's what the data said so it has to be right, for instance.

I'm aware this is a drastic oversimplification, and I think the tech is neat (although I avoid non-self-hosted models like the plague due to privacy concerns), but it's oversold to all hell, and is definitely not even close to intelligent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

You haven't really looked into multi-agent setups at all, have you? Basically any system of multiple agents can double-check themselves.

Additionally, none of this conflicts with my original point. If you train a human on bad data, they'll GIGO too. I know plenty of humans who have confidently told me objectively false things because they had bad training data.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Large language models like GPT, llama, and Gemini don’t create anything new

That's because it is a stupid use case. Why should we expect AI models to be creative, when that is explicitly not what they are for?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago

They are creative, though:

They put things that are "near" each-other into juxtaposition, and sometimes the insights are astonishing.

The AI's don't understand anything, though: they're like bacteria-instinct: total autopilot.

The real problem is that we humans aren't able to default to understanding such non-understanding apparent-someones.

We've created a "hack" of our entire mental-system, and it is the money-profit-rules-the-world group which controls its evolution.

This is called "Darwin Award territory", at the species-scale.

No matter:

The Great Filter, which is what happens when a world-species hasn't grown-up, but gains adult-level technology ( nukes, entire-country-destroying-militaries, biotech, neurotoxins, immense industrial toxic wastelands like the former USSR, accountability-denial-mechanisms in all corporate "persons", etc.. )

you have a toddler with a loaded gun, & killing can happen.

"there's no such thing as a dangerous gun: only a dangerous man", as the book "Starship Troopers" pushed..

Toddlers with guns KILL people in the US.

AI's our "gun", & narcissistic-sociopathy's our "toddler commanding the ship" nature.

Maybe we should rename Earth to "The Titanic", for honesty's sake..

_ /\ _

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have different weights for my two dumbbells and I asked ChatGPT 4.0 how to divide the weights evenly on all 4 sides of the 2 dumbbells. He told me to use 4 half-pound weighs instead of my 2 pound weighs constantly, and finally after like 15 minutes, it admitted that, with my sets of weights, it’s impossible to divide them evenly…

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You used an LLM for one of the things it is specifically not good at. Dismissing its overall value on that basis is like complaining that your snowmobile is bad at making its way up and down your basement stairs, and so it is therefore useless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You are totally right! Sadly, people think that LLMs are able to do all of these things…