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Hungary will seek to opt out of NATO efforts to support Ukraine, Orbán says (apnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Oh, my preferred outcome for Ukraine is for Russia to pull out their troops, I'm very much for the fighting to stop in that manner. But that outcome is as likely as Israel just stopping oppressing Palestinians out of the blue.

Israel isn't going to stop their war on their own accord, just like Russia. And just like Russia even if there is a temporary cesefire they will keep the territory taken and try again in some time, that has been the history of both Israel and Russia.

So the best outcome would be to give Ukraine the weapons they want to defend themselves because without those the war won't end, Russia will just take Ukraine and they will get more mass graves of civilians and freedom fighters. I'm just sad Palestine doesn't have a proper army that could be armed to defend Palestinians.

The idea that advocating for a nation to be able to defend itself against an aggressor means you need to be on the front line is truly pants on head retarded though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.

Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.

The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.

Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.

The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.

Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.

The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In Ukraine support to continue fighting has polled really high, over 70% support is what I saw at the start of this year so I'm not sure where you are getting that Ukraine is forced to fight. Like I'm sure some people have gotten conscripted that don't want to fight but saying the entire Ukraine military is fighting against it's will is absolutely false.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sure you have read many stories about Russians trying to dodge their draft but similar stories exist for Ukrainians. I have seen videos of Ukrainian men hidden in train ceilibgs being pulled out and conscripted.

The average age of the Ukrainians fighting is also higher than the Russians right now

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I'm sure, that doesn't disagree with anything I said though.