Indeed, this "from the river to the sea" talk means eradicating Israel. One side intends to eradicate the other; they do not plan to live in harmony.

Hamas could end the civilian bloodshed, immediately, if they release ALL the hostages & surrender. But they don't care about about casualties; they revel in death. The plan has been laid out in their articles (but softened in 2017) , believe them both. But give more weight to the original. It speaks from the heart, and communicates the desire to exterminate Jews.

There's nothing simple about any of it, though. Idk. Complicated blood feuds, various claims to ancient lands. It's just a shame they can't get along. I love this cartoon on the subject, This Land Is Mine. Never ceases to be relevant, a poignant commentary on their eternal struggle.

Getting sucked into a rabbit hole & I need to sleep, I find it interesting. Wildly different takes from different sides, all claim to be peaceful. Idk I'm very skeptical, with the first Hamas charter, how I've seen Hamas behave, & just generally how people operate.

The people representing each side are biased, of course, and it's possible they believe what they're saying. It's also possible they're telling you what they want you to know, or what you want to hear. Doesn't necessarily mean it's true. US was withdrawing from Afghanistan, and we heard so many assurances from the fucking Taliban (( lol )) about how "they were just going to assume power", "they will be just & good", "the women will be fine", just telling the world everything the world wanted to hear. They resumed control. Now their young girls are banned from above-8th grade education, they're covered up, they're married off & beaten & raped. Business as usual. Huh. I guess the Taliban....lied.

Don't believe what people say. Believe what they do.