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Senate Democrats to force second vote on border bill that Republicans blocked
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
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This is the equivalent to Russian roulette....
If just a single Dem like Manchin votes for it with Republicans, it'll pass.
Or if all the Dems voted for it along with the VP or a single Republican, it'll pass.
Like, the most likely outcome if a vote comes, it'll pass. And even if it doesn't, for some reason this is something Biden wants to do an executive order on.
Despite most Dem voters (and virtually all the demographics Biden is doing poorly with) don't want this.
There is literally zero positives to this.
If they want something performative to show republicans won't help. Pick something that would actually help if it does pass.
Not how this works.
There has to be a vote to allow debate to start on the bill. This is not passage, just putting the bill in front of the entire chamber for consideration.
This requires 60 votes; the vote in February failed 50-49.
If it somehow made it to debate this time, there would still have to be a second vote on passage. It's not at all unusual for senators to vote for advancing to debate and then vote down the actual bill for any number of reasons.
So, no. The most likely outcome is not the bill passing; by far the most likely outcome is the bill dying on the vine. Senate Democrats aren't randomly gambling here.
I don't understand it either. Do Dems really think this is what their base wants? I don't personally know any Democrat who thinks this law is a good idea. Immigration is more of a hot topic for Republicans. Why do we keep trying to get republican votes when there are still plenty of Dem votes to win?
Because we're using donations to determine who gets leadership positions for a long time now.
Bundle the most donations and you get to run campaigns and the DNC.
So the people in charge are the ones that rub elbows with the rich and powerful, there's no outreach to regular voters. And for the rich and powerful, even the ones that vote D are conservative. Dont forget trump gave so much money to Dems Bill and Hillary felt obligated to attend his wedding despite saying they hated him at the time.
Just let that sink in. A former president and his spouse who was still active in politics took time out of their lives to attend trump's wedding. Those are the people Biden is trying to keep happy with this.
Campaigns aren't focused on getting votes, they're focused on getting money then leaning on "vote blue no matter who" and fear mongering to get votes.
And at that point, why do we need to raise billions of dollars?
It's just moving money around in circles for no other reason than people get to keep a little slice every time it goes by.
And the longer people "just vote blue no matter who" nothing will fundamentally change.
You can say we can't afford to stop now.
But trumps been the candidate 3 elections in a row, even when it stops being him, the next will be just as bad.
At some point shit has to change. The least painful way for that to happen is everyone doing it at once.
They need a super majority to defeat the inevitable filibuster.
But you should know this, given how unbelievably outspoken you are all over Lemmy on how Biden/Dems are bad.
Yeah, I said the other day there's a chance this works out like when McConnell had to filibuster his own bill he brought to a vote.
At the time everyone couldn't stop laughing about how big of a joke it made the Republican party...
I'm not looking forward to being told Schumer is a genius when he does it, but it would be better than Dems letting this pass because they genuinely want it to.
Because that's what their donors told them to want.
Great modding there. I said he was "unhinged" and I guess that's not politely worded enough.
Give me a break.
Wait...
So you want them to codify trump era policies?
I'm sorry, I didn't think anyone would have that opinion. I assumed you thought he was bluffing, because if Dems do pass something like this, it's going to lose Biden even more voters than funding a genocide.
But if you're going to start insulting people, I think we're done here.