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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I think not everyone needs to know how their device works. Specialization is what advances us as humans after all. If they wanted to know, good for them, and if they don't also good for them. If I were using a car, I don't need to know how the engine convert a chemical energy, transfer power, and generate thrust

Edit just to give an example, an office worker may only need to use a word processor and their OS be up to date. If the user can just click the GUI to update the OS rather than typing the command for whatever package manager the OS uses, it is good enough for him. Sysadmin can give them the instruction once and done.

If the user forgot the instruction, they can explore it on their own with GUI without internet since no matter how deep a GUI config is, then there must be a way to get there (assuming the UI designer isn't shit). Contrast that with CLI where if you forgot or don't know any command there is little help or indicator of what's available and what can be done without external help.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I could not agree more. The number of people in here who are demanding that everyone who uses an OS understand it completely is absolutely ridiculous. I’d love to sit down and watch these people rebuild a lawnmower engine or service the compressor on their refrigerator. Hell, a shocking number of people I meet don’t know how to cook for themselves and they’re going to demand that end users be able to chroot and save a nonbootable system? Get out of here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Ikr? "Since it interest me, it you interest you too"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Contrast that with CLI where if you forgot or don't know any command there is little help or indicator of what's available and what can be done without external help.

man would like to have words with your strawman.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And how does the user suppose to know to type man? He may remember the instructions to check man, but he may not. For us, those 3 letter words are very familiar, but others need time to remember them. On GUI, this is no problem because as I stated they will bound to find it by exploring. Basically point and click adventure games I guess rather than the guessing game. And users will choose the path they most familiar first.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bigger problem, even if they know about MAN pages, remembering what their looking for is hard. You can't type 'man dnf' if you don't remember what your package manager is called.

I wonder how feasible searching MAN pages is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah good point. Navigation can be unintuitive too. Like, how do you quit? Is it q? Ctrl+C? What even is the weird symbol before C? Those are some of the hurdles that must be overcome when coming to CLI and not necessarily easy to remember. Sure you can do it in 1 hour, but say tomorrow would you remember it again? What if the system is running smoothly for 1 month and you never opened the terminal again after those 1 hour?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You don't need man, just type the command with no arguments and you'll get the help message.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Alright, try it with cat