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We are now at 48,859 monthly active users vs 51,172 a month ago, decline seems slow but steady. Anything we can do about it? (reddthat.com)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We are well on the path of creating separated communities

We might, but compared to what it was when those very distinct group of people stumbled upon each other, it wasn't really pleasant either.

A potential scenario might be a few groups of federated servers

hard left: hexbear, lemmygrad, lemmy.ml
servers that block the first group, because they think it's better: e.g. blahaj
server who will federate with everyone: lemm.ee, reddthat, etc.

And I guess it's okay. People can move their subscriptions in two clicks anyway, it's easy to change instances

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Again, that doesn't solve any of the fundamental problems of a Reddit-clone.

Anyways, our opinions don't matter. If I'm right, the communities we're on will quietly fade away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Again, that doesn’t solve any of the fundamental problems of a Reddit-clone.

Which problems are you thinking about? Network effect? Echo chamber due to voting system?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The main ones are that certain users or groups of users end up dominating each community, and that mods become abusive over time. Brigading and bigotry are big issues too. You also mentioned echo chambers, which I agree is another issue, although that is present in many social media platforms.

Unfortunately, federation doesn't solve these issues. At the very least, some kind of basic improvements are needed. Ideas like preventing large communities from dominating the front page, removing or limiting the effect of downvotes, or having more checks and balances for what mods can do, are necessary. But none of that happened. So this attempt at a Reddit clone is just ending up as a bad Reddit clone. Which is probably why Lemmy/Kbin/Mbin will slowly fade away, once people realize that it is just a Reddit clone.

This won't be the final attempt at creating a replacement for Reddit. Eventually, enshittification will destroy Reddit, and something else will replace it. But it probably won't be the Fediverse's attempt at it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Interesting.

I think that power tripping is slightly prevented by having public modlogs. Doesn't completely prevent from happening, but at least people can call out on it.

For the echo chambers, an alternative to the down/up vote system would probably help, but that's not something I see happening in the near future. The upside is that we can still hope for it happen "one day" once the platforms (and including Piefed / Sublinks / Mbin) will be more mature

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Perhaps. But it will likely be a hard break from the current setup, since the current one is not even close to working.