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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

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The highlight for me is coming up with some weird pseudoscience justification for why it’s okay to hit your kids.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They bought this house and the one next door for $575,000; they allow their neighbours to live in the second house rent free, in exchange for childcare.

Seems normal !

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is part of a whole thing where the journalist keeps presenting their framing without question. Is it “allow their neighbours to live in the second house rent free, in exchange for childcare” or is it “they have unpaid live-in nannies in a staff apartment”? Do they “give everything they can spare to charity” or are they landlords who own property they don’t live in? Is she wearing a corset and chemise from etsy because it’s practical, or because these weirdos have put on staged cosplay performances for every journalist who’s ever interviewed them, and you’re no exception?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Yeah these people have found their weird PR niche. There's nothing separating these people from other rich white Americans who can also comfortably provide for ~3 kids with good schooling and higher education. The real pronatalists are the scary Quiverful people who are a lot more numerous but are also religious fundies. There's no way the Collinses can compete with them because that subculture already believes around 90% of what they believe but are more effective at spreading their memes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is part of a whole thing where the journalist keeps presenting their framing without question.

Yuuup, and at no point is it explicitly mentioned that what they're doing is entirely unfeasible on a societal level. How on Earth will a couple dozen rationalist having 4, 7, or even 11 kids make up for the hundreds of millions of women in America having 1.5? Or the billions of women having under 2.1 kids in the rest of the world.

On top of that, they only have 3 kids and they've already put a shit ton of time and sunk themselves over half a million in debt just for housing and childcare. I absolutely believe these two can afford it, but this isn't something most Americans can achieve, much less most global families. One couple trying to outfuck global population decline would be like if I tried to end global poverty by becoming really, really rich.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

like if I tried to end global poverty by becoming really, really rich.

I have some exciting news for you. Have you ever heard of "effective altruism"?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Wow, these people have not planned anything at all. They're going to homeschool all 7+ kids? And go into politics, a job that infamously has long, unsociable hours?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No, they're counting on not spending time with their children. Their worldview is all about populating, not educating.

In fact, if you pester any of these people how they would plan to educate all these millions of new children you'll quickly find out that either:

  • That is actually not planned for at all (hand waving).
  • They actually only want certain (White people of means) to be having lots of kids.
[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Or option 3: they subscribe to the mudsill theory, under which education will no longer be wasted on the lower orders of society, whose lot is to die in harness.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

No need to plan things when you can use Rationalism, nominative determinism, and first principles to get over any troubles. Also the people who give them gifts are very rich.