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[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (28 children)

You're just repeating the same thing again, only longer. No one is suggesting the small business owners weren't also to blame. They themselves will know that they fucked up and that only increases the mental toll. It is dickhead behaviour to go around doing "welp you should have done X, it's your own fault" thing way after the fact without offering any sympathy or assistance. It's similar with people who fall victim to phishing or phone scams; you are only perpetuating the stigma they feel by reacting like this to their situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (14 children)

It is dickhead behaviour to go around doing “welp you should have done X, it’s your own fault” thing way after the fact without offering any sympathy or assistance. It’s similar with people who fall victim to phishing or phone scams; you are only perpetuating the stigma they feel by reacting like this to their situation.

But it's NOT similar to phising. That's my whole point. A random consumer shouldn't be expected to grasp the fine details, they didn't volunteer to exist in a society and should be protected against threats they don't understand, like phising, predatory loans, etc.

But for a company, it's different. They literally DID sign up for this, and should be expected to grasp the details. You voluntarily take on this responsibility when you start a company, very much unlike some random person getting scammed.

Like other peope, if you start a business: Reader beware

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)

But it’s NOT similar to phising.

I never said it was similar to phishing. Read my comment again. I was clearly referring to the impact of stigmatisation on the victim. Phishing and phone scam victims also often feel an extreme burden of guilt because they believe they acted stupidly in blindly trusting a link or a person who cold called them. Reinforcing this guilt by telling them "yes you are stupid and you fucked up" doesn't help them. It has the exact opposite effect.

I don't know why you keep trying to frame this as "they started their business and instantly made a mistake because they can't/didn't read". The article is about small business owners being taken advantage during periods of severe financial stress. We are not discussing happy people fucking up due to some innate character flaw. We are talking about people who are suffering from extreme stress and making irrational decisions as a result. Lecturing them as if they didn't sign these contracts as an absolute last resort, in exceptional circumstances is not helpful in any way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's similar to phishing

If you can't be honest, at least don't lie

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It’s similar with people who fall victim to phishing or phone scams; you are only perpetuating the stigma they feel by reacting like this to their situation

I think this is the full quote the most important part being:

you are only perpetuating the stigma they feel by reacting like this to their situation

They're not lying, you're either being disingenuous or an idiot

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It's not a lie. The other commenter was implying that I was comparing the two on culpability and I clearly wasn't, as I explained in the comment you've replied to.

But, of course, you already knew all this and are simply trying the lazy gotcha route because you are unwilling or unable to actually discuss the topic in good faith.

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