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a bear will kill you, perhaps horribly.
a bear will not kidnap you, rape you, and keep you in a cage.
I'm frankly amazed I have to keep explaining the order of magnitude difference in the horror of wildlife vs. horrible humans.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it sounds like you are trying to say that kidnap and rape are magnitudes more horrible than being horribly murdered?
that's a bingo. Kidnap, imprisonment and rape are worse, in my opinion, than just being murdered.
And it's hardly an isolated incident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Tanya_Nicole_Kach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Dugard
https://voi.id/en/memori/5584
https://6abc.com/michael-nicole-swanson-arrested-couple-charged-with-raping-kidnapping-2-women-intellectual-disabilities-from-delaware-county/14716082/
https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/elk-grove-kidnapping-rape-assault-stockton/
just a few moments search. I'm certain there's far more.
It wasn't whether they are worse (I'd agree that they are often worse), but if they are magnitudes worse. If the kidnap, imprisonment and rape of one person is comparable to the murder of hundreds or thousands of people (since that would be magnitudes more).
In my opinion to call one magnitudes worse than the other is to immensely downplay the seriousness of the other.
I mean, one death by bear, vs., years of imprisonment and repeated sexual assault with no end in sight. seems like magnitudes of difference to me. YMMV
Ah ok. I was thinking of specific instances rather than an indefinitely long situation, so I see where you are coming from now.
When those are just the precursors to the horrible murder, I'd have to say yes, magnitudes worse.
Because on one hand you get brutally murdered, and on the other you get brutally raped and brutally murdered.
Makes perfect sense to me.
So to be clear, when something is magnitudes more than something else, that means on the scale of 100-1000x more, or even higher powers of ten. If rape + murder is magnitudes worse than murder, then definitionally rape alone must also be magnitudes worse than murder.
Of course multiple atrocities are worse than a single atrocity, but talking about one being magnitudes worse than the other, to me seems to immensely downplay the seriousness of the other.
For example, to me "murder is magnitudes worse than petty theft" would be an appropriate use of the word.
I'm aware of the definition of the word, yes. And I stand by what I said.
Then I think I'm not understanding something here, maybe you can explain (asking genuinely). Because it seems to me that what you said doesn't make sense with the definition of the word?
I think what you should be considering is just how horrifying a brutal rape is. I'm not going to describe that. I'm going to tell you to put on your thinking hat, and really do some thunking on this one.
I'm not sure why you are being so condescending. I'm well aware how brutal rape can be, I'm also aware how brutal murder can be. But this doesn't explain the logic of yours that I wanted to understand, which was that "when rape includes murder, then rape is magnitudes worse than murder alone".
For one thing, that isn't what I said, is it?
Second, I'm not explaining why a brutal rape is awful. We are done.
Isn't it?
And I never asked you to explain why rape is awful, I never disagreed with that. I wanted you to explain why it being a precursor to murder, makes it magnitudes worse than murder. But for some reason you insist on pretending that I'm asking "why is rape awful"??
Nice edit.
As I said, we are done.
Anyone can clearly see if edits have been made, and I have not made any. Please don't fabricate lies.