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As an example. I grew up in hip-hop but at a certain point I stopped listening to new people and realised recently that I’d slept on some bangers. Like Kendrick particularly, but even people like Juice WRLD and Xxxtentacion.

The same for the Kendrick and Drake (the nonce) beef which has given some rabbit holes to go down.

So I’m wondering what I can do to keep in the loop with my younger brothers and sisters?

Is it something as simple as watching trending videos on YouTube (somtheing I’ve never done) or are there people to follow etc. I don’t like Twitter though so hopefully it’s not that.

Edit: Man I got so many replies. You guys are awesome. I am going to work my way through them all today, but I’m hella tired and off to work so may take a while. I will reply to you all.

Edit part deux: God damn I think I got all the replies.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

You can only sort of ever keep up.

The main issue preventing you an Old, from finding more about people who are Young, is that the Young don't exactly love the old filling up their spaces, trying to remain hip.

This is exemplified by the slow death of social networks as they grow in popularity. A new social network pops up, its quickly populated by the youth. Slowly, as it becomes more popular, Olds start creeping in, until there are so many Olds that the youth want to go somewhere else because they no longer have privacy.

When Mom and Uncle Jim are in the conversation, everything is suddenly less cool.

Happened to MySpace first, and it's happening to Facebook right now. It's basically ghost towns of people who will be dead soon.


We are limited because the youth will always want their own private spaces where they can truly be themselves without their weird expectations of the older generations. If you're older with zero expecations for the youth, congratulations: you're unusual, so don't hold it against the youth that they assume you're just another boring old person who is going to judge them for something. Most adults are out here judging them, so give them a break on assumptions they might make about you.

I used to keep up with music through YouTube channels, but even the ones I used to follow are aging up and soon enough those people I was listening to are Old now too, and they're doing the same thing as me, trying to keep up with what's hip and good.

I understand the desire to do so. New music is often so good, and I really get sick of people who act like the music they grew up with is the best in history. It's not, and it never will be. Music is always growing and making music is more accessible than ever, which means its really exploding and evolving. There's never been a better time to love music.

However, as Olds, we're just going to miss a lot of what's cool with the kids simply because we're Olds. So much is just going to naturally be hidden from us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And since we're not Youngs, how the music appeals (or doesn't) is really not part of our experiences.

Pop music is a thing of the moment. Not to criticize, just an observation. Because of this, I don't really get why an Old would want to try to stay hip with music. You're not young during that time, not part of what the coming of age experience is like at the time. It's not your time.

Plus pop music, by definition, appeals to the broadest group possible by being less complex - this is true of anything. I always use Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" (a massive avant-garde jazz hit in the 60's), compared to something by the Beach Boys, Elvis, The Beatles, etc.

Everyone can grok what Elvis is singing, but even as someone who studied music theory, I find Kind of Blue challenging to grasp. And I hear/learn something new every time I hear it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even if you're not personally experiencing the things pop music is currently about, there's still plenty of really great stuff coming out all the time that you'll miss out on if you stop listening to new things. For example, NPR popped up recently with a Tiny Desk Concert (which feels like a very Old way to find new music in itself) from Chappell Roan, and I would've been missing out big time if I'd skipped it just because she's 15ish years younger than me and in a different phase of her life. A lot of it feels more nostalgic (fucking Casual, man, so many of us have been there) than current to my life, but it's good music. And as a queer woman, gosh it's great to see these queer artists who are able to write their feelings and experiences without having to keep plausible deniability in the lyrics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'd say what you're (possibly) describing is something that's less specific to it's writer's time/age/moment, giving it broader appeal. If someone is 17 and writing classical style music, I'd expect most who appreciates classical to take an interest. That's just looking for new music, not a focus on staying "hip", which, again, isn't really an effective approach.

This fits with the reasons media/arts appeal the way they do - the more "base" it's appeal, the broader that appeal will be, because more/most people understand it.

These aren't my ideas - ask a professor of music (especially music history) the difference between the different classifications of music, and why they're defined the way they are.

One great example: today most people would consider Opera to be "high-falutin classical stuff that us regular folks can't grok cause we don't know Italian", when the reality is it was the popular music of it's day, with Opera performances being a rough equivalent to TV shows today. Some Opera composers knocked out 200 operas, per year.

Check out any lectures by Prof Robert Greenburg, especially "How to Listen to and Understand Great Music" or "Music as a Mirror of History", he explains these ideas very well.

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