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Koichiro Ito was the producer, NOT the director who is famous for creating those movies. He collaborated with the studio, he did not write or direct the films. Please do not destroy and undermine these beautiful works of art over a single credited contributor who did not create the films.
Further, he was only arrested in February of 2024 so the studio hasn't even had an opportunity to turn down future collaboration with him.
Thank goodness. I loved "Your Name" and hope for more films.
Have you seen Suzume yet? It's truly wonderful.
Seconded. Weathering with You is also good, but Your Name and Suzume are absolutely top notch
I was so salty when they gave the Emmy for Best Animated Film to Boy and the Heron instead of Suzume. Absolute travesty and so clearly only because of Miyazaki's name and art style.
Suzume is honestly my favorite of the three and one of my favorite films of all time. I adore how well all of the fantasy and imagery connects with real human experiences. It comes so close to providing perfectly clear, direct metaphor without actually arriving at it and to me that is the most beautiful type of storytelling: where you can see characters, themes, etc and feel deeply how they connect to your own life but never with a concrete "this thing specifically represents that thing". You can get really close with Suzume, but it never quite coalesces, leaving you with a powerful story, intense emotions, and a sense of wonder that sticks around long after viewing.
Damn. Sorry it has to be you, but i just can't remain silent, as this agenda of "the creator of an artpice made horrible things, so the artpiece itself is also horrible and therefore must be forgotten" just drives me so fucking mad. I guess it's hard to cope this thought, but an artpiece is still an artpiece and should be evaluated such. The author itself could be an absolutely terrible person deserving a death sentence, it doesn't mean his metaphorical child couldn't be as beautiful as of others. There's no guilt in admitting it if you remember that even the creation of the most marvelous masterpiece in the universe cannot be an excuse for the creator's sins. Not to mention this your way of thinking lots of time works other way around, painting famous creators as idols that cannot do nothing wrong. As soon as there will be both morally good and downright awful creators aknowledged of their particularly artistic skills, the aura of some kind of deities around creators of any kind of art will be demistified, therefore they will be finally judged just as any kind of other people, therefore it will be harder for them to cover up the fucked up shit, some of the hollywood directors are known for for example.
The artpiece should not be forgotten, so the wrongdoings of its creator won't be forgotten as well. I think its a lot more fair, just and harsh at the same time.
I absolutely respect art irrespective of the artist. The problem arises when said artist continues to profit from my respect of the art. Take as a personal example, JK Rowling and her Wizarding World. I grew up with those books. I love that setting. But I'm not buying any of their merch or their video games or going to visit Disneyland to go to Potterworld because I don't want Rowling getting her mitts on my royalties. She created a series of books that captivated me and many others as children and I respect the hell out of that. But I'm not going to continue to fund her tirades because of it.
A movie seems like a similar case.
Also, often the art itself suddenly changes before your eyes when you review it with a new eye for who the artist has revealed themself to be.
Like the fact the only asian person in the entire set of books is a girl to serve as plot fodder named "Cho"
Or the fact that there's like 2 times that a girl gets specifically assaulted by a masculine representing figure in a girls bathroom while alone. (Troll attacking Hermione in book 1, and Myrtle by Riddle+Snake in book 2), its one of those "If I had a nickel everytime that happened, Id have 2 nickels, which isnt a lot but its weird that it happened twice" sort of dealios.
The list goes on and on, theres a lot to pick apart in the books if you go back and re-read them. There's a lot of stuff that makes you pause and go "hmm, what?"
Like perhaps the "goblins" with pointy ears, sharp teeth, glasses, short statures, who strictly only show up working at the one big bank, and are commented on about hoarding money and acting greedy...
(Basically a play by play classic set of caricatures of jewish people the nazi party used constantly to dehumanize them... >_>;)
A fair and completely agreeable point. Thank god piracy exists :)
P.S. have you heard of our lord and saviour Eliezer Yudkovsky? His turn on the aformentioned saga is actually better than the original imo
They were visually stunning but the plot was mid at best.
HARD disagree. You don't have to enjoy it, everyone is free to like what they like, but all three films are critically acclaimed and adored by fans worldwide for a reason. And no, not all popular media is good media, but these are not popular enough to fall into that category.
Miyazaki's movies are more in the "visually stunning but mid" status IMO. Like, Howl's was great, everything else is meh to me. But I also know that many people love them - including my wife - so I respect that they are good movies.
You can get critical acclaim for a ham sandwich with the right publicist. And it'll have fans worldwide with a big enough marketing budget. In no small part thanks to the obscene ad buys for this film and Suzume, they got exactly that.
Jesus, this is what I'm talking about. The Boy and The Heron got goose-egg for a marketing budget and people still queued up around the block to see it.
Meanwhile, I couldn't make it a city block in Tokyo or Seoul without seeing a ten story tall billboard for Suzume. Makoto Shinkai and Koichiro Itou ape the Miyazaki style, but fall far short in the script delivery. They're riding Miyazaki's coat tails with all style and no substance.
There's simply no throughline in Your Name or Suzume. Things just... happen. The characters are never well-developed or distinguishable from their stereotypes. The dialogue is awful. Neither hold a candle to Princess Mononoke.
Wait you actually thought Boy and the Heron had a plot?
My wife literally has multiple limbs covered in Miyazaki tattoos and even she walked out of that movie going "WTF was that mess?"
We'll just have to agree to disagree here. Clearly we have different opinions of what makes for a good story
More of a plot than Suzume, definitely.
The nature of two online nerds talking anime, I guess.