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I don't think I realized just how siloed lemmy.world was until I saw the comments here vs the reception on IG and my other platforms.
Y'all have a wildly different flavor.
True unpopular opinion: this song is absolute fire and Macklemore is one of the most genuine and loving artists of my generation.
It's honestly depressing. This is very easily the most right-wing/centrist social media site I use. I love the format of reddit, but hate the redditors. I thought Lemmy would be better but it's not. And it's not just that people disagree, they call everyone who disagrees a bot/troll/shill etc, and they freak out if you use swear words like.... it's the worst of tone-policing and performative liberalism all in one place.
I kinda want to start a ShitLemmySays lol, that was easily the best part of Reddit when they were active.
I want to believe it's partially to do with the election coming up in the US, but the early infighting cut pretty deep, I don't know that the political toxicity will ever completely go away.
Well keep in mind that a lot of Lemmy users (Lemmings? Lemmites? Lemmitors?) are from Reddit now. They are slightly more anticapitalist and anti-corporation, but otherwise, a lot of us are basically Redditors who took over this similar social media site.
I still think this place better than Reddit, though. I think a lot of the good users left, even if a majority weren't politically aligned with original Lemmy. I browse through Reddit front page links when I'm bored at work, but I rarely find good stuff in the comments like I used to. It's just mean and toxic, or vapid and pointless.
Lemmy is right wing/centrist? Lol in what world.
Lemmy is by far the most tankie social media site.
Are you fucking serious? Look through the mod log and note how protected the leftist/socialist ideology is here.
Lemmy is about as whackadoo- socialist as it gets.
How do you look at the mod log
Enjoy!
Hm I can't really tell if the moderation has a particular political bent because I can't see the deleted comments.
Here's another truth for you: Like it or not, he's gonna be stuck with Trump again if Biden loses.
Maybe he just doesn't have as much to lose as the rest of us...
If trump wins, there will be no more Palestinians. Not in the Gaza strip at least. Israel will be free to take over all disputed territories and they will. Bibi is doing everything he can to make sure trump wins.
By the time Trump would take office, if Biden doesn't change course and get tough on genocidal maniacs, Gaza will already be gone. They're starving right now. Their infrastructure is gone and half their homes are unlivable. This isn't a "seven months from now" problem.
I don't think anyone should actually refuse to vote for Biden (in a swing state, if you're solid blue/red do whatever the fuck you want), but if threatening to do so changes his course of action now, that can save lives. I firmly believe Biden is only where he is now because the antiwar campaigns are working and he's scared about his weak polling.
Inb4 "Macklemore Russian Bot"
More like "Macklemore Rich"
You'll note that I didn't say he's wrong. Just that the Trump cabal will come after all of us. You should pay close attention to the words people choose in the future.
It rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again.
Make light of it all you will. You'll be strung up on the wall like the rest of us.
No no. He'll be in the in group surely! Authoritarians have never ever been known to turn on and scapegoat groups for their failures! /S
Better hope that Biden bows to all this pressure and changes course then
I can hope a) the Biden camp sees the catastrophic toll of unconditional support for Israel and b) voters see the potentially catastrophic toll of a second Trump presidency at the same time.
Astonishing, I know.
Right, but one is hoping for thousands of people to not act like people, that is emotionally to issues that effect them, and the other one is hoping for a small group of people who have shown a history of bowing to pressure continue to do so. It's much more realistic and a better avenue of effort.
Well then good for you that the latter is less of a threat to your health, job, and survival than the former. Must be nice.
I keep saying it's becoming an echo chamber like Reddit became but they don't want to hear it.
No, it’s just that they don’t want to hear it from you. There’s a reason you get torn up every time you post your anti-Biden propaganda.
It’s because you’re about as transparent as they come. And this is as far as I can get to explain it because we’re not allowed to actually accuse you of what we see you as here.
Yeah, I've been transparent many times and said I hate Biden and Trump. And?
Honestly, the size of lemmy.world kinda negates the benefits of federated social media. Instances are supposed to be small so as to be more manageable to moderate, so that you don't have to defederate with every instance with a slightly different background.
The defederation campaigns from about 8 months ago ended up narrowing the spectrum of users and content along a pretty specific political line, and that means that certain political topics get a pretty drastic misrepresentation of opinions. Lemmy.world in some ways became defined by those disagreements, and so any time a topic approaches that line you get a crowd of people trying to enforce the distinction.
Other instances (even the ones lemmy.world ended up defederating with over political disagreements) have far more varied opinions on the exact topics that .world seems really uncomfortable with.
Are the defederation campaigns the reason people call me lemmygrad? I only joined a month ago and people hate me for existing and not repeating their echo chamber.
edit: just noticed you said 'deconfederation', and idk if that was intentional but it's actually 'defederation. Deconfederation makes it sound like it was a civil war (maybe that's an apt description though...)
Yup. The use of 'lemmygrad', 'hexbear', 'tankie' (at least it's frequent usage on lemmy.world) all stemmed from that tumultuous time just after the reddit migration where the various instances were fighting over politics. It's a deep lore and maybe even a bit more complicated than I alluded to, but that period has definitely left its mark on the community.
Other instances are much better, but because lemmy.world is so large and their communities attract the most activity, they kinda set the tone for the whole lemmy/kbin activitypub implementation.
Even if simplified, thank you for explaining! I wonder if mastodon has had a similar thing happen ... (I was never much of a Twitter user so I never became active). Like, is this a result of the fediverse in general or just something unique to Lemmy
I'm on both; this is a pretty lemmy-specific thing. I think it stems from people who migrated from reddit into a platform that was already being used by groups with a much stronger left-lean. If you've been on reddit you might be able to guess: they did not cope with that well.
Oh whelp yeah that explains it
You aren't getting your checks from Moscow? Don't be stupid. It's free money!
I think the real moderation should always be happening at the community level. Admins should only be influencing accounts doing illegal or immoral stuff and through their general tolerance for trollish behavior. The same stuff applies to the communities though. I like that there are multiple "politics" communities so you can choose your flavor of community moderation, but there's certainly a tendency to just assume the biggest is the "real" one.
I think what Lemmy needs to solve this issue is being able to easily tie in the comments from all the cross-posted subs you subscribe to, then assuming say someone subscribes to politics on .world, .ml, and beehaw, you can get all the flavors without one set of mods or users being able to define the whole Lemmy "politics" culture. And if one flavor annoys the shit out of you, you can just unsubscribe from that one and not have it be part of your experience.