Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.
this post was submitted on 02 May 2024
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In my state, we're not even having a primary. Again, tell me more about how to do the electoral math.
Show up to the meetings in your county. Get the phone numbers of the local party leaders that you can actually speak with. Engage with them. Tell them what they need to support. I'm tired of being the youngest person in the room as a 40 year old, it doesn't bode well. All politics is local.
Contact my representatives. Ok. And when they say "Nah, we like supporting genocide and taking AIPAC money, we're going to keep doing that" what then?
Wow... ok...
1.) I did not say to contact your representatives. I said to get in touch with your local party leaders. That means the people running the either weekly or monthly meetings that happen in your county. Depending on where you live, that might be your neighbor, or it might be someone down the street, but either way; it's going to be someone that you have a possible chance of encountering at a store in your area.
2.) Based on how you responded, I can infer that you haven't tried contacting your representatives either. So tell me again... what have you tried other than just doing nothing?
Ok, so the party leaders and representatives and your local city council or whoever else say "Nah, we like supporting genocide and taking AIPAC money, we’re going to keep doing that” what then?
What's the next step, logically, if those in power aren't listening or interested in changing their behavior?
You bring your friends out, and get yourselves voted in to replace them.
I see. Taking office myself.
So if we extend this logic to the presidency I should...-checks notes-....just become the President of the United States.
Perhaps... but you also have to realize the timeline involved in such an endeavor. In the meantime, you have a two party system. Vote for the better option.
You're just circling back around to alluding to Republicans again. I didn't ask about how to stop Republicans. I asked how to stop right-wing extremist Democrats from directing the party.
You admit on one hand that getting people to vote against a genocide-supporting candidate is ultimately the way you influence the Democratic party's support of genocide when those in power won't listen, but then still end up at the conclusion that we should vote for the genocide-supporting candidate.
I fail to see how this will effect the Democrats future behavior. Why wouldn't they just continue their strategy of propping up extremist right-wing opponents to make their genocide-supporting candidates the lesser of two evils?
What do you think, logically, I should infer then about your claim that you're a logical decision maker?
Are you daft or just trolling?
What does "alluding to Republicans" even mean? I need an explanation of that statement because I can't process that.
I told you exactly what to do. If you missed it, scroll back up. It doesn't mean change is going to happen next week. It takes time and you've literally done nothing other than asking a bunch of questions and schilling for the right. Ask all the questions you want, and I'll answer them but you need to get off your ass and go be politically active within your community.
If you'd like me to figure out how to do this for you, let me know your county and state, and I'll be happy to get you pointed in the right direction.
While I’m so disaffected that I’ve had to have my fire rekindled to vote for the “least damaging option” yet again, and while I’ll be dragging my feet to the booth in November, I feel from key words in this conversation that their mastery of English is surprising to the point of suspect when I consider the errors they’re committing.
I’d advise saving your energy for a less disingenuous conversation.
Have a great day.
I'm pointing out that in the end you still just invoke them as boogiemen. You still fall back to "Well, the reason you vote for the problematic Dems this time is...(because Republicans)." Which is what you'll say next election and the next and the next.
It is the exact feedback loop I'm asking how to not participate in reinforcing since that very strategy has objectively failed for decades and only moved the nation further to the right. Yet it repeats because every election cycle morons come out and vote based on fear.
I'm explicitly not asking about kicking the can down the road again.
You suggest asking nicely and then, if that doesn't work, voting in local elections and hoping some day in some indeterminate future, that trickles up and effects the party leadership somehow.
I'm looking to destroy or disable the entrenched power structure in the DNC, not continue to indefinitely play a rigged game they themselves run. I'm not looking to help them continue playing grab-ass with the other flavor of fascists, do you understand?
I am 100% uninterested in waiting for the general public to wake up on their own, they can wake up from the slap across the face that is Donald Trump if thats what it takes to get them to actually move their dumbasses into gear. Because if that doesn't do it then the general public will simply acclimate to the slow boil of fascism that we are currently experiencing, and that's when things are truly done for good.
If someone is outnumbered by ineffectual morons with lots of money and entrenched political support and voting with the morons changes nothing, but voting against them disrupts their pattern of stupidity because they need your vote to move forward, then doing the latter is a legitimate choice to make. That is being politically active.
It's the difference between getting on the idiot wagon or laying down in front of it.
Right, and how long do we continue empowering the lesser of two evils? How many generations before that cycle is spontaneously disrupted by "talking to your local party leadership"?
Fear-based "Later" politics are idiotic and cowardly. I'm opting out of that.