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So flatpak or distrobox is the recommended way to install “user” apps, but if you need closer to the “system”, that’s where rpm-ostree comes in. Its recommended to limit the layers (the package manager works by layering the app you install over your current images), but the apps you’re looking to install is a perfect use case for it. Feel free to comment any questions you have about using “rpm-ostree” and I’ll try my best to help. Also I love bazzite too!
Thank you so much for the hint, I sporadically read the word "rpm-ostree" but never thought that it was related to my issue. I'll do some research on it tomorrow and keep you updated!
Don't let yourself get too discouraged. Things are done differently from what you're used to. Over time, you start to understand more and the vocabulary starts to develop to more quickly search for answers.
Before I developed my chops I could spend all morning searching for answers to how to do something or other at the command line. Now I can get the answer in one search query for most things. It was a matter of learning how to ask the right questions. You simply do not know what you do not know.
Cheers.
Thanks for the encouraging words! That's actually very relatable and I hope that moment comes soon. But I'm also learning new stuff about Linux on an almost hourly basis and it's a lot of fun. Oh, and it's so rewarding when something finally works!
No worries! You’re doing exactly what’s recommended, so I’d say you’re on the right path! Main thing is that rpm-ostree is the built in package manager, so like rpm, dnf, apt, Pac-Man, etc. so if you’ve used any of them before, it’s going to be pretty straight forward. And yeah, just comment or message me and I’ll try to respond when I get a chance. I’m no expert, but I know a bit
Hey!
So I've managed to find the time and install tlp and I'm already hugely grateful for that. You were right, and it was really just as easy as typing "sudo rpm-ostree install tlp" and it worked just like it would with apt or dnf. 1/5 done!
But sadly the other ones weren't so easy.
I've basically accepted my fate and given up on these last three programs, and it's largely my fault for wanting to install stuff that hasn't been made to work on an OS like Bazzite just yet. But maybe you can spot a rookie mistake or something that might help me again! Regardless of that, a huge thanks for your help and I'm glad I've got some programs to work while also learning something new along the way :)
I really appreciate your positive attitude about having to change your workflow when using a new technology.
Just a tip to help when you search for how tos, tips, or guides: since bazzite is built on top of ublue, and ublue is built on top of fedora silver blue/ fedora kinotie, you can use those as search options as well. For example, you can use “how to install goverlay on fedora silverblue” instead of “how to install goverlay on bazzite”. Since more people use fedora silver blue or kinotie, it will increase the possible results, and they SHOULD be 100% compatible as you can rebase to either 3 (as long as they use the same DE, can’t go from gnome to KDE or vice versa).
I’ll try to find time to provide good links for those 3 remaining programs (I know how hard it is to find and use a replacement, or be missing features).
Here’s one for now: NordVPN for Linux** this link seems like a good resource: https://www.answeroverflow.com/m/1153350314028695562
Of course! I'm too deep into Linux now, and how could I switch back to the old ways when the Linux community is just so incredibly kind like this :P
About the search tip, I read somewhere that Bazzite is a skin of a skin of a skin. So in general I'll remember to search for the upstream base if I can't find anything, got it.
Oh and seriously, please don't search for the other three, I know how tedious it can be and you've helped more than enough. I even got NordVPN working thanks to your link, so I'm more than satisfied! Armed with this new knowledge I'll do the rest myself, and I was also planning to switch to ProtonVPN anyways, that's one way of solving it :) But again, a huge thank you for helping me out!
Exactly, ublue and in turn bazzite basically (oversimplification) add their own “layers” on top of fedora silverblue/kinotie, basically doing the same thing you do when using rpm-ostree.
I’m so happy to hear it! I’ll put off searching, for now :). If you do find the answers you should definitely post in this thread, I’m curious and others might find this thread when they encounter the same problems. No problem! I’ve had a lot of help from the community, so just paying it forward!
So just to clarify, it’s recommended to limit they layers, but it’s not a hard rule or anything. The reason it’s recommended for a couple reasons.
One reason is that the layers are basically your “core” install, your “actual” os. One of the big benefits of atomic distros is the inherent stability, and by adding layers you are adding more risk and complexity, which doesn’t eliminate the stability but it does decrease the odds of it being as stable and reliable.
Another reason is that the more layers you have, the longer updates are going to take, and the more storage space used. Atomic distros usually keep multiple “versions” around (current and previous), so if you install 10 layers you’re really taking up twice that space. Atomic distros sacrifice disk space and update speed, to increase reliability stability and reproducibility. I think it’s a fair trade off, but a bunch of layers do shift the scales a bit more towards a net zero. Also besides have two versions (usually standard), you can also pin versions that you want to keep around, for example let’s stay you’re on plasma 5 and upgrading to 6, you can pin the version with 5 until you’re confident that 6 is working out for you. In the grand scheme that’s not a lot of storage, especially when cheap, but still worth factoring in.
There’s also concern about file conflicts, inheritance (a layer overwriting a config that’s used by the base or lower layers), etc. I wouldn’t worry about it too much, just in general it’s better to use distrobox or flatpak where possible, and only use rpm-ostree where it’s the only option.