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i'm going to copy/paste this to the only 2 comments this thread is getting:
if you look at the up/down votes the last half dozen biden/gaza threads on the fediverse over 100, you'll see that there's nearly 2:1 votes in favor of biden perpetuation genocide.
the fediverse was started by tankies and is, arguably, the most left leaning social media platform out there and even here, moderates dominate the conversation.
add to that the fact that the democratic party is successfully using abortion to get votes and rfk jr is a much bigger threat to trump than biden; it's pretty clear that biden will win not matter what.
i'll leave this quote from mlk jir because it helps me accept this thing that i cannot change:
I think the quote about the "white liberal" more interested in the negative peace of order is incredibly salient. I've been thinking very very deeply about this quote over the last several months.
I appreciate your optimism but I think this is less certain than you make it out to be. I think you need to take these assumptions to the electoral college map and actually game it out. Specifically, without pivoting on Gaza, I argue that Biden has lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota. They demonstrated their willingness to step back from Biden, and Biden has only gotten worse since then. He held onto those states by a shoestring in 2020.
Thats 35 electoral votes. So where does Biden make those up on abortion rights? What states does Biden flip into his favor. Florida? (yea fucking right) Texas? (blue as my balls waiting for this state to turn purple).
Like show me on a map where these electoral college votes that Biden has gained are coming from and we can have that conversation. Otherwise, you don't actually have an argument because the popular vote is irrelevant, and whining about winning the popular vote while losing the electoral college isn't an argument either.
My read of the electoral college map is that we're basically locked into the state it was in for 2016 and 2020. I don't see anything fundamentally different going into 2024. So the question becomes, what states flip from 2020?
the argument comes from midterm election results where red safety states went blue when they were bombarded with pro-abortion political adds. this article from npr goes into a deeper dive and also has a link to the exit poll results from those midterm elections: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248599739/abortion-democrats-independents-republicans-voting-2024-election
additionally: presidential elections also usually go blue so a popular vote win is also likely for biden. (this is so well known that some red states like texas hold their gubernatorial elections on off presidential year elections to avoid this phenomenon).
finally: my goal wasn't to spread optimism; i was trying to share something that helps give me peace with our situation with someone who has expressed the same concern i've been having in a thread that the fediverse is trying to now trying to ignore.
I asked for what specific states are going to flip on abortion rights. Your article does not cover that.
All of those states were blue in 2020. None of those represent a pickup based on abortion.
https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-actual-electoral-map
Ok so you retained those states.
Where do you get the remaining electoral college votes if WI, MI, and MN go red?
So whats the path then?
https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-actual-electoral-map
Use this and tell me your path to 270. You have to do it with out WI, MI, and MN.
If you can't do that, then stfu.
@eldavi
I don't get why you don't just post it once and then @ everyone you're talking to.
That would explain it! No worries.