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The pig should be in jail, and you shouldn't be making excuses for him.
I'm not making excuses, I'm being specific and correct. Rape (which isn't defined in the Canadian criminal code) has a very clear definition understood by the public (and defined in law elsewhere) as requiring penetration of some sort.
You're actually defaming him (and therefore guilty of libel under Canadian Criminal law) for accusing him of something which is not true and could harm his reputation further.
In your opinion, how many years of jail should be given to someone who kisses another person without their consent? Or does that part of this situation not warrant jail time? Should there be a mandatory minimum for any form of sexual assault? How many years then for the more serious offence of removing someone's shirt and bra without their consent?
You are seriously are doubling down on defending people who sexually assault people. No consent is assault and that can get you jail time.
The pig was in a position of power and is supposed to be better than the average person.
I'm not defaming him, as it's my opinion that he is a pig and deserves jail time for his actions.
Edit: either a lot of people don't know what defamation is, or they are hand waving sexual assault.
You're being pedantic. Caring more about the rules of language than the fact a woman's life has been decimated by a rapey cop doesn't help your argument.
The law is very pedantic.
and I'm not making an argument, I'm just clarifying terminology.
You just fucking said you weren't making a legal argument, that the term was not defined in the law in the relevant jurisdiction. But now that you realize you've crawled out too far on a shaky limb, you're still turning to "it's not my opinion, it's just the law!"
Doesn't work that way.
And placing your perception of language over and above that of a woman whose life has been devastated by a fucking cop.
Maybe you could place what happened as more important than the specific language used.
I think you're missing the point. The law needs to be specific. It describes levels of criminal activity and in this case details how the law differentiates between what the law calls "rape" and "sexual assault".
Sure, from our perspective that girl got raped, and that's how I would describe it. But the law doesn't.
The point of this thread is that a cop got off charges with a slap on the wrist. It is not, and never was, about what he did as much as he faces exactly zero consequences.
He got 12 months house arrest and 12 months probation after that. That's not "zero consequences".
TF you on about bro? This is up there with people going well aktually epehobphila isn't pedophila or some shit.
Sexual Assault is rape. Fin.
No its not. Rape is a subcategory of Sexual Assault not the other way around. What this guy did was wrong. He is (probably) facing too light of a punishment for it (article says the crown wanted double). I'm just not an expert on these matters at all. But he didn't rape her. Period.
If writing fictional stories about teenagers having sex should result in being a sex offender, why is George R. R. Martin allowed in Canada? Game of Thrones (the books) have multiple graphic passages about the rape of minors, Sansa was 12 years old in the books. Even in the show, which aired in Canada, she was still underage.
Your logic is flawed, writing fictional stories shouldn't be a criminal offense, and even with it being illegal in Canada it isn't applied equally.
Rape is sexual assault, sexual assault is not always rape. Just like an apple is a fruit, but not all fruits are apples.
Words matter, and yours aren't correct. They don't align with legal definitions in countries that define rape, with the common dictionary definitions, or with the common public understanding of the word.