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Can Hexbears explain to me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025? (hexbear.net)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Stairway to purity

aaaand I stopped reading. If you think "not supporting genocide" is a purity test, then you're fucked in the head. Go vote for genocide, but don't pretend like you give a shit.

Another reason not read your drivel: You do not meaningfully engage with the arguments presented to you.
You do shit like this:

Maybe we can agree that a vote in our current system means "I approve of this alternative over the others."

Once again ignoring the explanation for why your vote signifies approval. Not engaging with the arguments why. This makes it clear you wish to grandstand and condescend. If you wonder why you're being treated with derision, it is because you yourself began this interaction with a thick veneer of smugness. Therefore I and others treat you in the same way. You do not understand basic political mechanics, you do not comprehend basic reasoning presented to you, you are not interested in engaging with thoughts that are challenging your worldview, you are merely repeating the same tired lines again and again, hidden behind a facade of comradely understanding/engagement as a poor rhetorical trick to undermine those you disagree with. Fuck off back to reddit where this tired shtick isn't as obvious.

I do not wish to repeat myself, you are well aware why you are wrong on this point, as the material reality does not care for how you feel about the candidate. I don't give a shit about what you feel your vote means, I care about what it does.
The candidate will use your vote as an argument for legitimisation. I have said this twice already. You are clearly not interested in anything but soapboxing.

Go clap for Kamala Harris and Joe "pro-bussing" "Strom Thurmond Eulogizer" "Crime Bill advocate" "mass fracker" "Tara Reade redacted" "Union Breaker" "Mass Genocider" "Abortion Banner" "Trans People Can Get Persecuted I Won't Care" Biden continues to deport more people than Trump.