Anarchist Memes

1185 readers

1 users here now

This forum is for anarchists to circlejerk and share zesty memes

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

532

VWOOM (lemmy.ml)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

227 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Regardless of your ideological leanings, the reality is that we are already living under a de facto one-state reality

And this is the problem. Until there is just one state, one side will feel oppressed. There's also the religious issue, where both Jews and Muslims can't apparently tolerate each other. Just or not, I don't see a way for Jews and Palestinians to peacefully and happily coexist in the same state. Maybe you do, I don't.

I also don't see a way for Palestinians to gain the whole region without a war, or for Jews to renounce to the land they live in and to the state they have peacefully. If it's a war, I think it will be very very ugly; I mean, we are seeing right now what an all out war is like, it would be this, but on an even greater scale.

I'm with you, we need to stop Israel. The international community needs to force them to the negotiating table, and I feel like a two-state solution is the only thing that could make this genocide stop. Asking for a Palestinian one-state solution will only reinforce Israel aggression. What's the other solution really?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Just or not, I don't see a way for Jews and Palestinians to peacefully and happily coexist in the same state.

That's odd, they coexisted just fine for the first 1300 years of Islam's existence. There were maybe 3 instances in that whole period that Jews were excluded from certain areas by Arab or Islamic authorities, and these still weren't blanket bans. Compare that to the dozens upon dozens of times that they were kicked out by Christian kingdoms. Ashkenazi Jews had no barriers to doing "aliyah" to Palestine where they met Mizrahi Jews who were still living in the region.

Israel is an ethnostate that emerged from late-19th-century European nationalism. This is not true of Palestine, which has no ethnic exclusion and is more accurately part of the movement towards decolonization (whether Ottoman or British).

Saying that "Palestinians would do the same to Jews" is not even a simple counterfactual. There is no evidence for it. A couple vague statements and actions by fundamentalist minority groups that were curated by Israel do not make an entire population guilty of a Tu Quoque malicious intent. This is a bad faith argument, and it sounds like you have absorbed it from ubiquitous repetition in spite of the egalitarian values you seem to have.

The genocide in Rwanda was ended without splitting it up into two states, there is certainly precedent for inclusivity. Listen to what Palestinian voices are actually saying, not what they're presumed to be saying by Israelis.