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"If we 'meet them in the middle' and shift a mile to the right for the 3,041st time, they'll totally meet us in the middle THIS TIME instead of sprinting another two miles to the right like they have every other time, we swear!"
I understand the panic in marginalized communities and them saying if dems don't win they're going to be fucked now, but they don't get that we're only a couple election cycles from democrats throwing them under the bus same as Republicans.
Well, if my options to get dragged to the camps is either right now or in a few election cycles, I'm on the side of it taking longer.
I would think people would prefer "not being dragged to camps at all" but everybody keeps voting for "yes to camps but in 4 years"
Just weird to me but go off I guess. 🤷
Well, I voted Biden in 2020, and here we are four years later and I ain't in a camp yet. Kind of seems like that's an inaccurate prediction, and you would be served by considering the chain of reasoning that led you to this pass, to see what improvements might be made in your process to enable better predictions in the future. Not every change is an improvement, but every improvement is a change.
Sure, there's no way the inexorable march rightward the dnc follows and the explicit moves it makes to ensure leftists, third parties, and other establishment "outsiders" are acutely informed (including via court rulings stating that voters can eat shit the dnc does what it wants) that they have no place in the dnc ends badly.
Trump hasn't put you in a camp either yet so by your logic he's totally fine!
Trump and the rest of the red team are loudly and proudly proclaiming that they want to and moving that way in territory they control.
Do you have a suggestion as to what I should do that isn't accelerationism or removing any power I have to influence outcomes by turning to fantasy as a solution?
Thousands of other people are though, more than were under trump, more than were under Obama, more by the day, every day.
I agree that that's fucked. Giving the red team power means that number gets bigger, faster, and that no improvement whatsoever takes place. Perfection isn't on my political menu, do you have a suggestion that isn't accelerationism or not influencing the situation at all? Because "vote third party" sure doesn't seem to have "sent a message" in any way I can recognize. It just enshittified the country faster. Looks like harm reduction is the order of the day in politics while encouraging improvement via other means.
Leftists and third parties didn't enshittify the country faster -
That was Democrats who roll over and enable Republicans. That dedicate WAYYYY more energy to fighting anyone left of Joe than they EVER have fighting Republicans. That move the goalposts every time a third party meets the requirements for inclusion.
You blame third party voters for not "voting blue no matter who (even if that blue is anti labor and pro genocide)" but refuse to place blame with your precious democrats for actively stifling any voices left of mid right corporatism and actively changing the rules to keep anyone but the duopoly out of the system.
Fascism is fascism, and your insistence that the people actively supporting a racial cleansing will NEVER support it for other marginalized groups is lunacy.
I'm not sure why you think that letting the Republicans win by voting third party does anything but make things much, much worse, than not letting them win. First past the post elections are in part a keynesian beauty contest, and if you can't recognize how that is the case, I don't think you have a lot to correct me on.
I'm not sure why you think adhering to the system you admit is busted helps you as democrats race rightward because you'll vote for them no matter what.
Dems are already actively supporting genocide and sidestepping congress to do so. It's insane that you think they'll stop there.
Y'all prove my point every day on here though, dems and their voters use every faschie tool in the box against anybody left of them, but yall never have boo to say about Republicans cause you need your boogeyman to justify marching further right.
That’s funny, because things like the voting uncommitted campaign have already done more to move Biden to the left than any “strategic voting democrat” has done in decades.
You keep giving them your vote, you say, definitively “I agree with your current course.” They don’t hear, “oh they don’t like us so we’ll move left” they say, “lefties are more willing to sacrifice their values and still vote for us, so let’s move right and court more right wing votes”.
Unless you live in a swing state, there is vastly more strategic value in voting third party than there is in signing off on austerity and genocide and fascist immigration policy.
Hi. I voted uncommitted. In the primary. Also, I advocated for others to vote uncommitted, in the primary. There, it's a useful signal. In the general, it's handing the country to people gleefully proclaiming they want to round you up, and who openly and blatantly showed their disregard for your continued existence by letting a plague run rampant on the basis that cities vote blue and are more crowded so would suffer more death.
I think we will both have to do what we have to do. I don’t agree that voters in non-swing states voting third party is the same as voting for the other major party, and neither do the results of our elections.
The common thread I get from dems is that camps are perfectly fine as long as it's not lgbtq folk.
Any other qualifier is A-OK and not a bad thing at all.