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[–] [email protected] 67 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Even within the framework of SovCit, I do not understand how they expect to get a U.S. government issued passport while declaring themselves non-citizens. Honestly, if I put on my SovCit thinking fez, I could spin the denial of it by the government as a positive. “See the U.S. government didn’t issue me a passport which proves I’m not a citizen!”

This post isn’t even doing the “I’m an American national and not a state citizen” thing, which would at least track with trying to get a Federally issued passport.

Furthermore why would somebody who is declaring themselves a non-citizen even want a U.S. passport. It’s not like citizens of countries have to get documents from all the countries they aren’t citizens of to prove it.

And of course it’s for something scummy like running away from child support payment, which really shows the caliber of person involved.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's just good to see that passports - or lack there of - is what prevents these people from coming to my country.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Lucky bastard....

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And of course it’s for something scummy like running away from child support payment, which really shows the caliber of person involved.

I'm struck by how often these sovcits seem to be getting denied passports because they owe child support.

Is it just one or two of these doofuses vomming their idiocy all over Facebook, or maybe the whole sovcit thing is a common last ditch attempt to avoid child support judgements?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I’ve listened to a lot of SovCits on court proceedings. The idea appeals primarily to people who have exhausted all other legitimate options and are either going to lose something like the ability to drive or are being forced to pay money they just don’t have.

This is a Hail Mary ideology where somebody in that situation is being told what they want to hear- which is that they can wriggle out of it, that their debt isn’t really their fault (because The System is fake), and that they are special and smarter than everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not all American nationals are American citizens. For example people from American Samoa, are US nationals, but not US citizens, so they need to check the non-citizen box when getting a passport.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

That’s fair, and SovCit stuff usually is a contortion of something real. I was thinking about people who live and have always lived in a state who are trying to pull this.