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I've lived in the US for several years and it's funny you should mention those things in particular, because every single one you listed was worse there than in any other part of the world I've been to. In America, they call their open extreme bribery "lobbying" and it's well known to everyone there that literally nothing happens politically without massive amounts of that bribe money. They have such grotesque blind political allegiance that there are 2 teams, blue dems and red repubs, and any citizen who doesn't publicly perform their intent to vote for their team and give their full support completely regardless of what their team does or doesn't do for that citizen and their interests is shamed and blamed. The lies are so engraved into their education that almost all of them think that "liberal" means "leftist" lol. I mean for fucks sake, their children pledge allegiance to a fucking flag in a jingoistic daily ritual. I may not have lived in China for 4 years, but not only can I not imagine it being any worse than the place the nazis modeled their ideal state after, that completely contradicts everything I have learned about China from people I know who did (and do) live there.
You're full of shit. And you're a misogynist loser.
Chinese are jailed/imprisoned if they speak critically about Mao Zedong or Xi.
Chinese children were taught Mt Everest is owned by China.
Chinese children were taught Genghis Khan was Chinese.
Beijing completely threw out the 50 year agreement they had with U.K. regarding Hong Kong.
Want your driver's license without passing the exam? Bring the instructor.
Beijing regularly hides images en masse such as Tank Man
In China? Try Googling Tiananmen Massacre. Google and the massacre are both blocked.
Americans are taught we stole land, bribing is not common for average citizens, and everyone is critical of the government here.
But sure, keep to your simple insults.
My source is that I made it the fuck up
They should have imprisoned Xi then because he was critical of Mao a couple of times. In fact, there was been something of a wave of criticism towards that time of chinese history that goes like "Maybe Mao did fucked up a few times". Other than that, this is common liberal bs. The "YOU CANNOT SPEAK BAD OF GREAT LEADER" is common filler for orientalism, especially because this shit is often compared to "western values" where you have shit TV programs making fun of the President, calling Bush a moron or orange man. Wow. Much criticism.
These are new ones. Who even cares about this?
Oh no, the poor colonial power was ridiculed! (Based) What the fuck is the UK and what the fuck are they even doing in Hong Kong in the first place? Are you not aware?
I assume you mean "bribe". And you just taught me bribes are a natural part of oriental societies. Well done.
No they don't. I've just seen it yesterday.
Reddit-esque talking point once again.
And so are the chinese. But I assume you never watched videos of common people confronting local government representatives directly and verbally during assemblies or meetings, accusing them of all kinds of shit: from corruption or inability to lead or solve issues of the local population. To think that the chinese are drones that are incapable of thought and are just to be led by the EVIL MAN AT THE TOP in a BIG BROTHER 1984 society is.. once again, orientalism. Meanwhile, the westerners are not like that, we're all self-critical (LMAO) and we hold our representatives accountable, this is why Bush is in jail, Trump is in jail and Biden was impeached over Genocide in Gaza and is awaiting trial for these crimes. Now wait a minute...
Also you can't possibly talk about bribery in the US when the entire political system feeds on it. Oh I know you call that "lobbying", it's a less bad word.
China outclassing the US every day produces gems like these. Liberals spewing shit, racism and orientalism because their crap empire is one day closer to meeting it's demise. It's desperation I say.
Oh youre an idiot troll
China is US's #1 geopolitical enemy, you've heard everything the US has to say about China but not the other way around, you should probably change that.
Lmao Alex Jones level brainworms. Just hop on Baidu and confirm any of these things for yourself
Why are libs so over confident in these things that are so easily disproven? Where does it come from? Just to straight racism? Unquestioned propaganda? Shits wild
Google, an american data harvesting operation and advertising company masquerading as a search engine, is blocked yes. They aren't licensed to operate in China, as they wouldn't follow the same rules as other search providers do in China.
Baidu however returns plenty of results, even some in english. Top result is a china daily article which explains a chinese view on the events and how the western narrative came to be, and if you add the year 1989 you can get some additional news stories that reference it, like one from Sina about the EU arms embargo, and another about China's response to a Trump admin pronouncement on the topic.
I mean the majority of its tenets are still being followed, to ensure a stable transition, they merely reject that it is legally binding over their sovereign territory, and claim that the British do not retain a supervisory role over the policies of Hong Kong. I don't know the exact status legally in China, but the US constitution gives treaties ratified by congress the force of law on the same level as the constitution ("the supreme law of the land"). And yet the US breaks them all the time, we don't follow our own constitution, for the sole reason that "the president felt like it" (sometimes congress too). This sucks reputationally for the US, but nobody challenges it because the US has sovereignty over its own affairs. Hong Kong is still afforded a "high degree of autonomy" in matters not relating to foreign affairs or defense.
Maybe you were, but look around, clearly that isn't consensus, in the teaching profession or anywhere else. Also having an almost-always dramatically unpopular government isn't the flex you think it is.
we should bring that policy to america
As they should, moving on.
I call bullshit, because some of the people I know who live in China are critical of Mao and Xi and have never expressed any hint of a fear of reprisal for the things they've said to me as well as to other Chinese people. But the US? Civil rights leaders in the US are murdered in their beds and burned alive in their cars. Whistleblowers and journalists are either imprisoned & tortured, "suicided," or forced to flee the country to hopefully find asylum in order to avoid those other fates. Musicians and artists critical of the regime can have their entire careers destroyed for the most mild criticism (see Dixie Chicks saying a mean thing to poor little war criminal dynastic ruler Bush junior).
Part of Everest is in China? "Owned?" American children are taught Hawaii is "owned" by the US. If they are taught about Puerto Rico's existence at all, it is that it's "owned" by the US even though it doesn't even get the pretense of benefits that states get. US children are taught huge swathes of the south west section of the north American continent are "owned" by the US even though it was stolen from Mexico. I could go on, but since you mentioned below how the US supposedly teaches that it did steal land, see my response to that.
Even if that's true, it's nothing compared to the jingoistic historical revisionism US kids are taught. US children were (and are) taught Columbus "discovered" the Americas and only very recently and only in some more "progressive" states it's being lightly touched on that he was actually a deeply evil genocidal mass murderer driven entirely by greed. Children in the US are taught to worship their wealthy, white "founding fathers" who were slavers and (CW) r*pists. US history class is more lies than reality, so it's funny to me you would harp on this as an example of China being worse than the US with such weak tea nonsense like China claiming Genghis Khan.
I'll defer to other people here who know more about that because I admittedly don't. However, if I started to list the ways that the US has reneged on its agreements with other countries, its countless outright betrayals of even its supposed allies (see the famous Kissinger quote about how it's dangerous to be an enemy of the US but fatal to be its ally), then I'd quickly exceed the text character limit for comments. The US constantly lies in all its agreements and treaties. Since the genocide of the indigenous peoples is something brought up in this comment thread, consider the well known fact that the US would make and break treaties with indigenous tribes all the time as a casual way to genocide them and steal their land. That shit never stopped.
? So I guess the implication is that you can buy your drivers license by bribing the instructor in China? I can believe that kind of thing happens sometimes, as it does in any country. But is it actually something rampant in China or is it just a cherrypicked example pulled from your ass? Something that is rampant in the US is kids with rich parents passing their driving tests when they shouldn't by virtue of their having rich parents. And not just driving tests, but literally any test or barrier to entry you can imagine, if you're rich, you will likely get an easy pass that average people don't get and that poor people are never even given a chance to participate in. This is something so well known in the US that it's commonly joked about. But to keeping focused on driving, rich people in the US are known for buying (bribing) their way out of DUIs all the time, and even when they are penalized, it is the tiniest slap on the wrist for them while it can mean the end of a poor person's ability to earn their already measly livelihood. Even if every entry on your list here of things that exemplify how bad China is were true, it still wouldn't come close to the things I could list about the US that are so much worse.
No it doesn't. I've seen Chinese memes with "Tank Man" that make fun of the Western obsession with it. And once again (since this whole discussion is based on how China is supposed to be worse than the US) the US hides controversial shit all the time. One of a million examples, I was recently looking for articles and images discussing/showing the prevalence of full on naziism in the Ukrainian military and leadership before Feb of '22, back when that could still be openly reported on. I found a bunch in archive sites but the original articles had been scrubbed from the original news outlet sites where it had originally been reported. Articles that were considered fine and simple reporting done by mainstream news media are now erased and referencing them is called "Russian disinformation." It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Of course China does censor things, but it openly acknowledges that it does so and doesn't try to hide behind the notion of "free speech" a joke and a lie that the US tells its citizens.
Google is blocked for good reason, and even in western countries, it's recognized how google is a tool for people with wealth to spread their viewpoint and suppress dissent in all kinds of ways, with one of the more obvious ones being that they simply pay to have search results that benefit them at the top and results that are bad for them buried under pages of other results or never even getting served at all. In the US, even my virus scan sofware kept trying to block (blacklist) Yandex. lol. As for Tienanmen square, where unarmed Chinese military were lynched, no it is not blocked. Certain propaganda about it may well be blocked by China, but this event and talk about what happened is not blocked. It is referred to as the "June 4th incident" or something like that (because a massacre of students didn't even happen, Tienanmen Square 'Massacre' is a name made up by US agencies for propaganda spin) and it is openly discussed in ways both critical and supportive of the CPC, which you should know if you really did live in China for 4 years.
When they are taught that (which is rare and totally understated) it is also taught that it was generally for the greater good, that either it had to be done or that it would have happened anyway, and most importantly, it's taught that "it happened a long time ago and we're better about that now" which is a complete lie because they are not better about it now and even if they were, it's not taught that the people of the stolen land are still oppressed and systematically kept from reclaiming their nearly-erased culture let alone the land and wealth stolen from them, and while the descendants of the people who stole that land and genocided the people there, are still benefiting from that theft and genocide. Funny how that just isn't part of the curriculum in the US.
"Average" citizen? Maybe not, but only because the average citizen doesn't have the means to bribe anyone, since they're barely avoiding homelessness (which is de facto criminalized in the US) and living paycheck to paycheck. But bribery for rich citizens in the US? It is more than common, it's so prevalent that the entire economy, which is based on finance capitalism and rent seeking, would screech to a halt if there was a real crackdown on bribery.
And they should be. The government of the US is a sick joke that doesn't represent or support people at all. Most people in the US realize this even though a big chunk of them misunderstand the reasons why.
Lol, keep my "simple insults"? You referred to an entire country as an ugly woman. I called you a misogynist. Can you really not see how much of a hypocritical clown you are?