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We should abandon elderly people to destitution and grow homeless encampments, for what? So you can retire on a fatter cushion?
So we should scam more people because the elderly got scammed?
Lol, if anyone's getting scammed it's me! People often collect more social security than they put in. I've only been paying into since I began working, and have another 30 or so years before I can start collecting.
So, yes, we should continue paying out social security because our entire society is a scam. It's the least we can do.
I'm glad you're honest about social security and new deal policies. Though I don't understand why you'd want to double down on them.
Then I'm sorry to disappoint because it's not fair to attribute such beliefs to me, particularly about the new deal policies, which led to the idealized American past that modern folks pine after, when I didn't mention them.
But since you brought 'em up, we should definitely double down on the new deal policies rather than continue to role them back. Lina Khan's renewed anti-trust efforts are a good, strong first step, but we definitely need way more.
TIL. There's an obvious question though of whether the economic demand of hunting Nazis ended the great depression or some other economic or social policies or a combo of several.
I guess there's no way we'll ever know.
Well hot damn! I looked up that paper and, unlike a lot of right-wing news sources, it's real and says what it say you say it says.
Still though, another resource I use complicates the conclusion of that paper. So, okay, I'll admit that the New Deal's economic effects were complicated. Maybe it didn't lead to the best economic times in America? It obviously couldn't have been the war because the war ended. Maybe the war gave it a sort of start...but what was actually sustained until the 1970s?
TIL x2, and I stand corrected again. Every time, I just gonna make a link to the last time I was corrected in this community, because why not.
What sustained us? A common theory I’ve heard is WW2. Most the world had to rebuild from WW2 which gave us many years economic prosperity.
I’m not sure if it’s true. I tend to disagree but I think it may be a valid explanation. We didn’t suffer the loses of Japan, Germany, Russia, etc.
While we lost lives, our country was relatively untouched. Japan occupied parts of Alaska, attacked Oregon a few times but really we didn’t experience the infrastructure losses the other countries did.
That is the issue. The system doesn't work. It is just a wealth transfer which I am against.
I would support taking the 12% and putting it into a private retirement account.
It is unfair to ask the top 5% or 50% to pay for the bottom 50%. I already pay more than my fair share of taxes. People won't take taxation seriously until they feel the pain. Spreading the pain across everyone may cause people to stop demanding more spending.
We have a spending problem in this country and it can't be solved by taxation.
The Inuits use to push the elderly out on an ice flow.
Sure. So what? Is that your social prescription for the elderly: help them along to the final stage of life?
They do it in Canada and Europe. Isn’t that the more humane option ?
How do they do it in Canada and Europe? I seriously doubt they're pushing 'em out into the ocean like, "Go be with the seals! We'll miss you!"
Euthanasia.
Uhh, well, I support voluntary euthanasia. People should have every right to end their lives on their terms.
It's the same for elective abortion for me: people should have every right to bring life into the world on their terms, too.
But that still wouldn't solve the social security problem...
Social security would best be solved by private retirement accounts. That would solve the problem quickly.
What do you mean by "solved"? Because, obviously, a lack of social security couldn't possibly function as the program does as it exists.
Problem is solved. Just move everything to private funds. Instead of the grand Ponzi scheme we have now
Oh. Well, then raising taxes it solves it just as simply and in the exact same way. No more grand Ponzi scheme and puts money into private hands.
It doesn’t solve anything. It just increases taxes.
Either that or raise the percentage and let everyone pay more. If you think it has value. You should be willIng to pay more for it. Right now it’s 12.5. Raise it to 20%
Raise it to 20% and remove the cap. I'll accept those terms.
The average American won’t. They just want someone to pay for it. I’d be fine if it was fairly done like increasing it for everyone with no cap.
If that were true, then raising the cap should be sufficient. But plenty of people who are going need to go with the seals will oppose it all the same.
No. That is just punishing high income earners. Benefits don’t increase as we pay more. Benefits are static.
Make everyone pay more is a fair way to fund it.