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From the article: *Large SUVs were particularly affected. According to the police, notes were attached to the cars indicating that they were harmful to the climate. The tyres were not punctured, but merely deflated. The cars were parked in the area between the S-Bahn line and Elbchaussee around Kanzleistraße. *

Personally, I like this protest way more than glueing themselves to the streets, causing traffic jams where cars burn gasoline for hours and ambulances / firefighters / police gets stuck, putting innocent life in danger.

The article is in German. Warning: this link leads to google translate.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

You are still assuming a lot of things:

  1. That deflated tires don’t get damaged either. Look up how tires are built.

  2. That everyone gets a sticker under the window and all four tires deflated.

  3. Apparently it has to be “catastrophical” to be bad.

  4. The only thing you are taking away from society is someone’s time.

IMO as long as you are messing with someone else’s property you are not “protesting”, you are a vandal.

However good you might find their intentions it’s not much better than blowing up mailboxes or slashing tires.

And whether or not you want to see it I strongly believe that point four is the most important part.

What happens to the people who couldn’t be treated at the hospital in time because their surgeon was left stranded with flat tires?

Sure, he could have just called a cab/Uber, but what happens when everyone in the neighborhood does?

Someone else could step in? Sure, but again it suddenly might be more than one that’s affected.

I’m not trying to argue that everyone has a job that society will miss if they are stuck at home for a few hours, but do you think that the people running around deflating tires do any kind of legwork to figure out if they should?

There was a “protest” like this in Oslo, Norway, recently, targeted at fossil gas guzzlers. However the “protesters” failed to discern between electric SUV’s and fossil SUV’s even though most of the electric ones carry special license plates.

At the end of it I guess it all boils down to what kind of ethics you apply. While I can agree with the viewpoint I wholeheartedly disagree with the method and form.

At what point do you find it is ok to do bad things to random strangers in some weird hope to do something good?

It’s not a “trolley problem”, you’re not killing one person and saving five, you are simply putting unnecessary hardship into people’s lives because you don’t like what they drive.

Do you honestly expect someone to go “oh no, not again, well I better go buy a different car”?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I read everything you wrote because you went through the effort to write it. I think the "agree to disagree" place is about as good as we're gonna get.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Didn’t expect anything else, but thanks for the civil response :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I appreciate you and I mean that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I appreciate that you guys can disagree in something highly connected with emotions and still have a civil conversation.

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