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You may be offered a free premium Telegram subscription – but please don’t accept (archive.is)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Telegram is giving away FREE Premium subscriptions! All they need from you is to use your cell phone as a relay to text out their OTP codes! And the recipient of the OTP sees your phone number! What could POSSIBLY go wrong with this deal?

PLEASE don't use Telegram! I personally recommend Matrix as it's totally FOSS, you can self host, there are tons of front end clients to choose from. Or even use Signal. I have my own issues with Signal, the fact they don't allow third party clients, you can't self-host, they have a proprietary shim in their stack that only they know what it does, they were pushing crypto, etc, but at least Signal is better than this garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or good old XMPP!

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

XMPP doesn't support modern features and the protocol is older than some of the people here

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

It has more "modern" features than Simplex 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Define "modern features"?

HTTP is old too, what's your point? It get's constant updates via XEPS, and currently runs: WhatsApp, Messenger, Zoom, iMessage, and more. It's perfectly capable. And offers federation out of the box.

The single reason XMPP died off in the tech crowd is that Signal killed it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I was wondering about that the other day. Why did Jabber/xmpp not evolve further into the mainstream? For a while there were multiple good-enough clients and running ejabberd was not very difficult. I thought it would become ubiquitous (and in a way it has, just not interoperable), and the clients would evolve to become great. Instead it feels like the whole ecosystem kinda just faded away.

I remember why we switched away from Jabber (running ejabberd) in our company: the biggest issue was no server-side history, so using multiple clients on multiple devices was basically impossible, just like MUCs without history to browse and search were useless for our use cases. Has that gotten better over the last 10 years?

We switched to self-hosted Rocketchat, so which sucks in many, many ways but feature-wise it offers everything we were missing from xmpp.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Prosody is also a great server with a ton of functionality.

For the tech crowd I think Signal was just very enticing as it was easy to convert non techies with smart phones. That's the discovery arguement, but I find that point moot since a properly configured setup should allow one to use the same address as ones email address for XMPP (much like gtalk). Now signal claimed to have social graph anonimity, but for the longest time that was not true at all for a state sponsored adversary (it has technically improved but I'm not 100% sure that is true in practice).

There is a XEP for server side history, it's been around since 2012: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html