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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

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I step out of Hexbear and into another instance for once and immediately get this shit lmao

I was letting off some steam about how sick and tired I am about working a shit job to make some asshole rich, and I made an off hand remark about how my employer probably belongs in a gulag. Further down the reply chain, this lemmitor asshole shows up to send me a whole tirade full of faux concern, breaking out the psychoanalysis to say I'm just an extremist full of unjustified hatred because I must be a bitter loser. Somehow they come up with this nuclear hot take comparing my anger at the capitalist class to a Christian fundamentalist hating gay people.

But the fucking cherry on the top here is sending me this comment as their very first interaction with me and proceeding to instantly block me to deny me the chance to reply at all. I've seen others use the block feature as a means of getting the last word in, but never to get both the first and last word in at the same time. And in the end, this self-unaware lib ends up calling me the overly self righteous one. Perfect.

Tbh, what gets me is that they were so fucking close to getting it. They almost came to an accurate understanding of the fact that my material conditions as a poor person getting fucked over day in and day out by my employer stealing my labor will heavily inform my politics. But of course they never quite reach that point, instead bizarrely veering off into psychologizing me, and acting like this is all just some sort of character flaw on my part.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

someone who was in a good place in life wouldn't want to put people in gulags

Wow @[email protected] what a revelatory thought! It's almost like everyone's lives are getting worse and the people at the bottom are getting increasingly angry about it! It's almost like capitalism is failing and our numbers are increasing every single day while everyone gets increasingly more and more angry about that?

Wow it's almost like the system is not working and is producing the very conditions that will result in its overthrow!

Wow i wonder if any bearded guy wrote about this occurring.

Self righteous dumbass thinks belittling people at the bottom "your life is shit lol you don't get an opinion on society" is the right thing to do instead of asking why society is failing everyone and producing those of us who thoroughly believe the only way that anything will change is revolution.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago

The part you're roasting is especially vile because the lib's choice of insult only makes sense if one considers having nothing going on in life a personal moral failing on the part of the sufferer as opposed to, as you pointed out, peoples' objective conditions being shit and rapidly getting shittier.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (56 children)

It's wild how there are neoliberal ghouls on that nominally "leftist" instance. Really makes you wonder if there are some ideological problems with their particular brand of "leftism" that it is so immensely compatible with open chauvinism like that.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Wait, dbzer0 is supposed to be a leftist instance? Every time i see somebody from there comment on hexbear, it's either transphobia, homophobia, or shit-tier geopolitics takes, i would've expected them to be hardcore centrist chauvinists, basically like the brain genius in OP's post.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Isn't it? The instance owner is an "anarchist" and runs a comm for it, as we were all privileged with knowing when they decided to trawl for drama with reactionary bullshit. Perhaps that at least elucidates the main commonality in what we've seen:

shit-tier geopolitics takes,

When they were trawling, there was the classic of ultras and liberals arguing side by side repeating the same tired myths and hyperbole.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In fact, many of our mods/admins identify as LGBTQ+, including myself, and we always remove any posts that we deem to be transphobic or homophobic. It would be great if you could report any such posts so we can deal with them. All instances have to deal with problematic behavior from users from time to time, hexbear included. See example below.

  • Please "remember the human" and be kind to your fellow leftists.
  • Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. Discussing differences in theory is fine and encouraged, just don't make it personal. Remember: Sectarianism is liberalism.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

I report any incidence of queerphobia or other hate speech immediately, but these reports will always end up with hexbear mods because i am not interested in federation and browse local only. I'm fine with how our mods handle these reports, i've never had anything to complain about in that regard, but i can only report after somebody has attacked my comrades, my community or myself, so if i see another instance causing problems over and over again and making our queer comms less safe, i will speak out about that.

It is also kinda strange to me that you are invoking the anti-sectarian and "remember the human" rules here when i'm specifically adressing reactionary hate speech. Such speech enjoys zero protection on here, bigots cannot hide behind the rules you cite, i know from experience that this is widely understood both by the userbase and our moderation teams. This is a radical queer safer space, not some liberal salon, we do not tone police marginalized people, we do not demand civility towards queerphobes, ableists, misogynists and racists, and anti-sectarianism does not extend to middle of the road policies, particularly not when they are openly capitalist or imperialist.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

User reports: Probably iffy on sectarianism.

I don't think this is far enough to warrant removal, but do be careful not to go full sectarianist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

They are really acting like blahaj users now aren't they? "It's okay to be bigoted to the other party if their politics is more radical than yours." In this case replace transphobia with ableism and behind-screen psychoanalysing. I also remember one blahaj mod who, after one of you guys said that ableist mods should be booted, said that booting bigoted mods makes you a tankie.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

someone who was in a good place in life wouldn't want to put people in gulags

The state's carceral system already does it for him.