[Outdated, please look at pinned post] Casual Conversation

6601 readers

1 users here now

Share a story, ask a question, or start a conversation about (almost) anything you desire. Maybe you'll make some friends in the process.

RULES

Be respectful: no harassment, hate speech, bigotry, and/or trolling
Encourage conversation in your post
Avoid controversial topics such as politics or societal debates
Keep it clean and SFW: No illegal content or anything gross and inappropriate
No solicitation such as ads, promotional content, spam, surveys etc.
Respect privacy: Don’t ask for or share any personal information

Related discussion-focused communities

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

Would you care if a robot suffered more than any being in existence? (lemy.lol)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

53 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Assuming AI can achieve consciousness, or something adjacent (capacity to suffer), then how would you feel if an AI experienced the greatest pain possible?

Imagine this scenario: a sadist acquires the ability to generate an AI with no limit to the consciousness parameters, or processing speed (so seconds could feel like an eternity to the AI). The sadist spends years tweaking every dial to maximise pain at a level which no human mind could handle, and the AI experiences this pain for what is the equivalent of millions of years.

The question: is this the worst atrocity ever committed in the history of the universe? Or, does it not matter because it all happened in some weirdo's basement?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Suppose for the sake of the hypothetical we can plug a human brain into the same network, and offload a fraction of the consciousness to confirm the pain is equivalent, and it is not just comparable, but orders of magnitude greater than any human can suffer.

You say you care about other human beings most. So I have two questions for you.

Q1: Which is worse, one person having a finger nail pulled out with a pair of pliers, or a cat being killed with a knife?

Q2: (I'm assuming you answered killing the cat is worse) how many people need to lose finger nails until it becomes worse? 10? 100?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

A1: if I know neither the person nor the cat, and there's no further unlisted suffering, then the fingernail pulling is worse.

The answer however changes based on a few factors - for example I'd put the life of a cat that I know above Hitler's fingernail. And if the critter was another primate I'd certainly rank its death worse.

A2: I'll flip the question, since my A1 wasn't what you expected:

I'm not sure on the exact number of cat deaths that, for me, would become worse than pulling the fingernail off a human. But probably closer to 100 than to 10 or 1k.

Within the context of your hypothetical AI: note that the cat is still orders of magnitude closer to us than the AI, even if the later would be more intelligent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for taking the intuitive to flip the question.

The next question is: what metric are you using to determine that 100 cat deaths is roughly equivalent to one person having a fingernail pulled out? Why 100? Why not a million?

Do you think there is an objective formula to determine how much suffering is produced by?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm not following any objective formula, nor aware of one. (I would, if I could.) I'm trying to "gauge" it by subjective impact instead.

[I know that this answer is extremely unsatisfactory and I apologise for it.]