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When did I say that I was voting third party? You're the one that has been suggesting that leftists can only get meaningful change via voting third party, which I disagree with, because electoralism cannot bring about leftward change within the Capitalist framework, so voting for Biden is the correct answer for a leftist.
I wasn't necessarily referring to you specifically, just a common leftist theme. All the Genocide Joe stuff.
"You're all idiots" sure bud, lmao
Given a large enough data set, there will be outliers. But those few of you who are not idiots are already aware of that, so no need to explain. It's a self-selecting statement.
So you don't actually have anything that I've said is wrong, you just want to call me an idiot because you're anti-leftist, got it.
I mean, if you insist
Biologically? Really? You don't believe that, I don't believe that, I didn't say that, and we're both aware of all that, so it's a dumb thing to say.
As I said, you're not the base.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong and insulting, and just sad that you would consider progressives on par with literal nazis. We are not conservatives. You are just far removed from a realistic understanding of the world.
I don't even have words for how wrong this is
In any case, like I said, when you're promoting a narrative that Democrats and Republicans are equally bad, you're a shit stain on the underwear of humanity. The specific details of how you do your shilling are not terribly relevant. One tiny throwaway line about how the GOP are bad among a screed about how bad the Democrats are - that's nothing.
It's not a dumb thing to say, you just made the blanket claim that not enough democrats are voting without giving a reason why, so it was a useless statement.
I am the base, I vote dem, and you're trying to convince me not to, and to instead vote third party for someone who will represent my views better. You don't have to like me to understand that dems need to appeal to their voters.
How, exactly, is it wrong to say that the DNC upholds the interests of their donors? That's the basis of lobbying.
You aren't progressive, you're anti-leftist and reactionary, which makes you a conservative. You may not be a fascist, but you are conservative.
You've been malding, after I proved you wrong you started throwing insults and crying.
In any case, I never once insinuated that the Democrats and Republicans are equally bad, otherwise I would be advocating for voting third party, instead of saying that leftist organization is easier under liberals than under fascists. You're talking among leftists, of course the GOP are fascists and are seen as scum, I decry the evils of the GOP all the time.
Even now, you call me a shit stain for what I have been correct about this entire time, because you can't actually disprove anything I say, just say "wrong." That's why I asked if you ever do any analysis, you're one of the most right-wing members of lemmy.world, lmao.
Please stop. There's no audience down here, it's just you and me. There's no need to pretend or project.
You're shit talking Democrats because your leftist ass hates Democrats more than Republicans. You call me conservative for the same reason. You are so far down your bubble/rabbit hole of leftism, you are so removed from the reality of actual fascists, that it's easier for you to attack Democrats instead. It's difficult for you to actually conceive of Republicans, they're so far off the scale of what you're familiar with.
You need to return to reality. Leftist fringe ideals are not mainstream, but they are light years closer to Dems than Republicans. So stop attacking Democrats and start attacking fascists. Democrats are not corporatists. They do not rig elections. They do not cut taxes for the rich, raise them for the poor, and then tell the poor they're better off. On almost every single issue there is one party pushing to make things better, and one party pushing to make things worse. It's a very stark choice and if you can't see the difference you need glasses.
And I'm not even saying give up your ideals. I'm saying push for them in the primary, especially in the legislature. But in the general election you should toe the fucking line if you ever want to vote for your ideals again.
> toe the fucking line
what an apt turn of phrase. you might as well say "stand up so i can punch you"
>They do not cut taxes for the rich, raise them for the poor, and then tell the poor they’re better off.
they sure do.
>Democrats are not corporatists.
they absolutely are.
I'm not pretending or projecting, I've been honest and forthright with you except for that back and forth bit with the mirror.
I hate Republicans more than Democrats, but because I also hate Democrats, you cannot logically cope with the fact that I hate Republicans more, so you must mald. I have never indicated any positive attention towards the GOP, except in saying they actually appeal to their disgusting fascist base while the DNC continues to peddle tepid liberalism.
I am well familiar with Republicans and their fascism, I deal with them daily. I have nothing but scorn for their views and actually combat them regularly. There are few Republicans on Lemmy, and those that do show up, I usually relentlessly disprove their bullshit, harder than I do yours.
You need to return to reality. Leftism is closer to liberalism than it is to fascism, but liberalism is closer to fascism than it is to leftism. That's why the liberals sided with the Nazis in the Weimar Republic against the leftists.
Democrats are corporatists. They support corporations because they make up the bulk of their donors. The DNC is not a Worker party except for the most progressive among them.
I attack Republicans regularly, you just cannot conceive of that. Check my recent post history, I got banned from [email protected] because the mod made an insanely racist post, and I called him out so hard he locked the sub.
The DNC does not push to make things better, they push for continued liberalism. This is not a simple "Democrats good, Republicans evil" issue, Republicans are fascists, which is in fact horribly evil, but Democrats are liberals, which is certainly not good. It's not nearly as bad as fascism, but is not making the US a better place.
I can't vote for my ideals, you already said I can't. The US is not a functional democracy, because I can't express my views, by your own admission. I must side with what I consider to be a lesser of two evils, and cannot side with what I believe to be positive change. The difference here is that you still think leftists can gain positive change via voting, which has never been the case.
give it to em
>Please stop. There’s no audience down here, it’s just you and me.
that's where you're wrong!
Ah fuck who made a sacrifice to Putin and summoned you
baby, i'm an anarchist. no gods, no masters.
Wrong alt
what do you think this username means?
>I’m saying push for them in the primary
i'm not going to vote for democrats twice in one year.