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Because just about every piece "Both Parties Are The Same" rhetoric at play, right now at this point in history, aid and abet Trump's (read Vladimir Putin) plan to destroy democracy.
I wish I was being hyperbolic, but I'm not.
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both can be true. That's why this rhethoric so effective
also:
this is reddit all over again. I am starting to wonder why I ever left
Maybe you missed the part about the collapse of democracy, which would be the crystal fucking clear consequence of Trump becoming president again. Russian-style "democracy" with a heavy handed white christian nationalist bent.
Maybe go back there.
OP asks why
I'm just finding out lemmy is crazy for this. Earlier today a guy got brigaded and later post removed because he suggested that people use the mods to sanitise the forum of any dissenting opinion.
I myself made a comment suggesting that "both-siderism" is really a matter of perspective and people should question their leaders rather than continue to choose the lesser of two evils, remaining in a constant state of fear. I asked why people felt that way to a similar result.
Now you have very reasonably tried your hand at reasonable compromise to a similar result.
How is any of this espousing the virtues of democracy?
Lemmy isn't reddit all over again, it's worse.
Both parties are run by the oligarchy. Where's the lie?
GP's point is not, that it is a lie, but that this argument is used by anti-democrats.
I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a Republican. I'm far left.
Scanning your posts, I see tons of direct shots at Biden, and just about no posts about Trump, with the exception of signs of rising support for Trump among such and such group, how global markets are planning for Trump, and so on.
Absolutely nothing warmer than a backhanded complement for Biden, a net narrative of Trump gaining ground amongst various demos that don't vote Republican.
I believe this.
You might be, or you might be a troll in a factory. The rhetoric overlaps; so whether you're a republican or not is irrelevant.
Of course you are.
return2ozma is almost certainly a Russian agent or bot, or someone that deeply sympathizes with far right/fascist beliefs. He is only pretending to be "far left," and shows zero interest in actually promoting any kind of left-wing policies. In short, he's an outrageous troll, and people need to ignore or block him. Also, he needs to be report everywhere for being a troll.
It's just funny to me that you still think I'm a Russian bot/troll or whatever just because I post articles from NBC News, CNN, MSNBC, etc that are critical of Biden. These are mainstream pro-Dem sources. Blame them for writing the articles if you're mad.
I can assure you I'm not Russian, I live in LA, I'm gay, and I'm far left. But it's easier to just believe "everything I don't like is a Russian troll".
Your assurance isn't worth shit. Your body of work here speaks for itself.
But they were aggregated and shared by you.
They also write blistering reports on Donald Trump, regarding the multiple legal cases against him, him parroting Hitler's playbook, and basically trying to incite a civil war or secretarian violence.
Apparently, that's not very important to you. Amplifying "Biden is bad" signals is of the utmost importance to you. Avoiding concrete criticism of Donald Trump at all cost is important to you.
That's essentially the brief for a troll tasked with suppressing the vote to boost the chances of Donald Trump winning.
So ya, you're a troll, and nothing more.
Theres too many of these. So happy to see em getting called out on it.
I often see people on lemmy deride others for not posting things that would be directed at trump supporters here, on lemmy, which has a total of 0 vocal trump supporters. Tbf, how do you know this OP isn't posting that content where it would actually be seen by those who's jimmies would be rustled by it?
It's entirely possible that this anonymous individual is also on trumpsocial or whatever the fuck it is as another anonymous individual trolling them there where they are, and is posting content that would be subversive here, here. Frankly it'd make more sense, anti trump stuff here is just a circle jerk, we all hate him dude.
You're probably right.
Thankfully, there's nothing of existential importance happening this election cycle.
Let's just let the messaging flow, and see where it takes us.
You mean like every election cycle? That's what they say every time. Getting a little "boy who cried wolf"-y in here.
In this case, crying wolf means nor wanting Donald Trump to become president. The guy who stated clearly that he wants to be dictator (but only for a day apparently, so no worries), stated that some migrants trying to get into the states are not human, wants to exact revenge on his political rivals, and incites violence in his supporters whenever he doesn't get his way (and even when he does get his way).
Oh, yeah I almost forgot to mention that he's a Russian asset, and has already sold state secrets. Colloquially, that's known as treason.
Getting a little dismissive of existential threats to democracy in here.
Not quite, but close. It means every election is "the end of our democracy." So far it has yet to really be the case.
I doubt his ability to become dictator. Worst case I think he holds up with a small number of supporters and gets absolutely obliterated, more likely he cries and moans about well, everything all the time.
Thank you very much for erasing my grave concerns. Your assurances are so good, that I completely forgot about what Donald Trump was like as president.
Your words are soothing. Nice work.
We can all relax now.
Right, all that dictator he became and how he successfully ended democracy, I remember.
Sorry your hyperbolic fear mongering isn't quite enough to manipulate me, nor was it for Bush, nor when the republicans did the exact same thing for Obama, nor when it was 1st trump, nor again when trump v biden, and same as every one of those times, everything will remain the same.
Don't get me wrong, if it happens I'll be first in line with a rifle to fight it, but I highly doubt it.
Unless of course Trump runs roughshod over the rule of law, and exacts revenge on his political rivals. As he has stated he will do if elected. He is not asking to be a dictator, he is stating that he is going to be.
So basically the opposite of "everything will remain the same".
I also highly doubt that you would fight back in any way. You're extremely comfortable with the premise that this is just like every other election; if that were so, then why are you suggesting that you'd fight?
He can try, trying and succeeding are two different things.
I'm suggesting that if you're right, that if trump manages to successfully "end" democracy and install himself as dictator as you claim he's so able to do, I'd be first in line. This election is just like every other, thus why nobody has picked up rifles yet, there's a startling lack of democracy ending dictators afoot, contrary to popular claim that every president since Regan would become one.
Time will tell. Will this be just like all the other times this was claimed including the last time the same guy won, or will it be for realsies this time? !remindme 4 years.
Here we go again... "you're a Russian bot/Trumper/Republican because you're critical of Biden!"
K.
Gets called out very specifically for shitting on Biden, not shitting on Trump, while simultaneously claiming to be a leftist.
Responds by doing anything but saying a bad word about Trump. Maintains laser focus on criticism of Biden.
Like a leftist.
K.
I'd fire your troll farm. This is seriously low grade.
Trump is a piece of crap and not worth the time to post about. Everybody already knows he's the dumbest POTUS we've ever had. Hopefully the cheeseburgers do their job soon. ¯\(ツ)/¯
What a searing takedown.
Worst troll ever.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I could say a bunch of choice words about Trump but I don't know how far I can go without getting banned. Go look at my post history on Reddit before the API disaster. I'm not a troll...
http://www.reddit.com/u/return2ozma
Your body of work here speaks for itself.
Well either everyone you interact with is wrong or you're wrong yourself.
Heard of Occam's razor?
Far left of the fucking point, apparently.
Maybe you missed the part about the collapse of democracy, which would be the crystal fucking clear consequence of Trump becoming president again. Russian-style "democracy" with a heavy handed white christian nationalist bent.
In the intellectual dishonesty to ignore the existential threat to democracy, as outlined above. It's almost as though you're payed to signal that way.