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You can be anti-NATO and anti- Putin. It’s not a mutually exclusive position. MLs are anti -NATO. Putin is anti-NATO. Their interests align. That doesn’t mean MLS are pro-Putin. This isn’t hard Vaush.
You can be anti-NATO without regurgitating Russian propaganda, just like in WW2 you can be anti-USSR without spewing pro-Nazi propaganda or justifying the invasion of sovereign states by Nazi forces.
And yet, Western tankies never fail to suck off the latest imperialist in the name of 'anti-imperialism'. Wonder why that is. Couldn't be because they're fascists painted red, could it?
Have you actually talked with “tankies?” Yes, some are so anti-NATO that they veer into authoritarianism. But not all, or even most. I’ve had better discussions with tankies than liberals on here. Do I agree with everything they say? No. But I can understand where they’re coming from. Try talking with some. Are you pro-NATO?
Yes. Too many. I've been arguing with tankies for a decade and a half now. I once knew a guy from Aussieland who wrote long rambling screeds on how firebombing capitalists was the only way for the proletariat forward. I knew a Westerner who unironically praised Juche and decried everything anti-NK as capitalist propaganda. I knew an atheist-turned-ultra-Orthodox who critically praised Stalin.
I've talked to plenty of fucking tankies. Some of them aren't inherently bad people, deep down. But they all have shitty views.
Are you... are you taking the piss?
The entire point of a 'tankie' is that they veer into authoritarianism.
'Tankie' doesn't mean 'socialist', it means 'apologist for the kind of regimes that would crush the socialist revolution of Hungary in 1956 for being the wrong kind of socialist'.
So you don’t consider tankies socialist? Are Marxist Leninist socialists? Are you socialist?
"Tankie doesn't mean socialist" meaning "Tankie and socialist are not synonyms". All tankies are (arguably) socialists, but not all socialists are tankies. Most socialists, since the fall of the USSR and the flow of funds from it, are not tankies.
By not answering if you are a socialist or if you’re pro-NATO, I can only assume you are a liberal or centrist. If that is the case, I can understand why you hate tankies. You are closer to MAGA then they are. Of course they’re your enemy.
lmao. Not a tankie, just using the same rhetoric as they do. Why don't you call me a 'social fascist' next for believing in a democratic government?
Is MAGA or right conservatism more of a threat than tankies?
To me, personally? MAGA is more of a threat. To many elsewhere in the world, tankies are the greater threat. Unless you'd like to go talk to some folk in concentration camps in Xinjiang and tell them that their real threat is American right-wingers.
Nazis are worse than tankies, but not for lack of trying by tankies.
From a utilitarianist perspective, American right-wingers are a bigger threat. If they take over, they have an $860 billion military to unleash on the world. The way I’m interpreting this; you’re a closet conservative who thinks he’s a liberal. Yo hate communism more than fascism. Am I correct?
"To unleash on the world"
Tell me you have a surface level understanding of world politics without saying you have a surface level understanding of world politics.
I already literally said the opposite
Are you even pretending to argue in good faith at this point? If you are, it's not very convincing.
I try to always argue in good faith. But I tire of arguing with liberals/ conservatives with recursive arguments. There is no logic. If there is, you fail to make me understand it. Is this WhatIfAltHist?
"I try to argue in good faith", they say in response to being called out for literally ignoring the fact that I already answered that fascists were worse than tankies, and disingenuously asserting the opposite with a leading question.
We're done here.
Okay, you said that fascist are worse than tankies. I didn’t mean to offend you. I have a dentist appt. tomorrow and I’m on edge. You never answered what is better than a planned economy?