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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/TheArstaInventor on 2023-06-11 17:09:22+00:00.

Hello guys, we are closing r/LemmyMigration again as per original plans, as r/KbinMigration is back up and running, thank you.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/maltfield on 2023-06-11 16:16:22+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/smellythief on 2023-06-11 14:07:21+00:00.

Original Title: Question: Can you create a lemmy community on another server if the one you join restricts that to admins? Several do, and I can see this really being an important determinant of which to join then. Of you can make communities because you joined the wrong server...

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/thebigvsbattlesfan on 2023-06-11 13:14:11+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/TheArstaInventor on 2023-06-10 03:15:24+00:00.

Thanks to reddit banning r/KbinMigration for being "spam" when we had 2 pinned posts only, literally, I'm unlocking this sub back for now, if reddit does not respond to my appeal tomorrow, my last hope is rebranding this as much as possible moving forward for Kbin Migration instead, despite having a different name for the sub.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/SpareVarious6008 on 2023-06-09 21:38:41+00:00.

Friends,

If you read the post title and are feeling a little bit lost, that's okay. It's been a crazy week.

Last weekend, we made an announcement detailing how reddit is planning to kill popular third party apps like Apollo, Reddit is Fun, Relay, Narwhal, BaconReader, Sync and more. This is the same move that Twitter pulled (and was widely derided for), only with pricing that's slightly cheaper but still so prohibitively expensive as to make the distinction irrelevant. Every third party developer has echoed the same response: "This is unrealistic, you're forcing us to shut down."

In response, over 3,000 subreddits (including us!) have organized a protest to make it clear to reddit that their blatant attempts to prop up their half-baked, insufficient mobile app by killing off the competition will not go unchallenged. What began with an open letter has progressed to a full on blackout of all participating subreddits after reddit demonstrated they were not interested in addressing our concerns with any meaningful action.

You all made it loud and clear in the previous thread that there's overwhelming support for our community to take part in the blackout. Originally, the plan was to blackout the subreddit for a 48-hour period, followed by a 7-day period in restricted mode where no new posts or comments could be made.

However, there's been some developments since then that you should be aware of:

We learned that the API pricing changes would also have a profound impact on users who rely on the accessibility features found in third party apps that are severely lacking or missing entirely in the official reddit app. You can find more information about the impact in this thread from the /r/Blind subreddit.

On June 7th, reddit CEO Steve Huffman (/u/spez) and several other reddit admins held a closed call with a select group of moderators to discuss the upcoming changes to the API pricing model. You can find the moderator's notes of this call over on /r/ModCoord. Reddit also provided their own notes of the call which you can see stickied in the comments of the same thread. (Reddit's notes were originally posted in /r/PartnerCommunities which is a private subreddit for admins and mods to interact. Reddit gave permission for these notes to be shared publicly.)

There are a few takeaways from the call worth mentioning. Reddit did make a concession in exempting moderation tools/bots from the API changes. They have also promised to close the accessiblity gap in their own app, but provided no tangible examples or timelines as to how or when that might happen. Otherwise, they show absolutely no interest in budging on the ridiculous pricing scheme and seem content to watch every major third party application shut down.

There's another claim in the notes that bares further inspection: reddit claims that the lead developer of Apollo attempted to extort them for $10 million.

Yesterday, June 8th, the lead developer of Apollo posted an announcement confirming that the app would shut down. He also provided the receipts of his call with reddit, completely debunking the extortion claim. I strongly recommend reading the entire post for full context, but we'll link both the transcript and the audio directly for easy access. You can see that despite reddit apologizing multiple times for the apparent misunderstanding on the call, they still went ahead and posted their notes afterwards claiming he had "threatened" them. This is a deliberate act of deception designed to slander the developer and drive a wedge between users and third party developers.

So that brings us to now.

Today, June 9th, /u/spez is holding an AMA to discuss the API. No time has been specified, but we encourage anybody with questions or concerns about the impending death of third party apps to participate. Might need to bring your own popcorn.

When we originally approached you all regarding the blackout, we wanted to be sure that any action we took as a mod team would align with the will of our community. The response was overwhelmingly in favor of participating, with many users even encouraging us to do a longer or indefinite blackout. Given reddit's abhorrent behavior in the last few days, we feel the only option left is to escalate our efforts. But just as before, we want to make sure you all are onboard before we pull the trigger.

Should we extend our blackout, and if so, for how long? A week, two weeks, until July 1st, indefinitely?

Should the community be in favor of an indefinite blackout, the mod team has been discussing ideas for how that would work. Right now we're considering the possibility of doing 7-day blackouts followed by reopening under restricted mode to gather community feedback as to whether or not we should continue. If the majority of people are still in favor, we do another 7-day blackout and repeat the process.

If you have other ideas besides what is listed above, please let us know. This is your community, so make yourselves heard.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/TheArstaInventor on 2023-06-09 20:09:28+00:00.

Why Kbin & ActivityPub?

Hey everyone! As you may have seen in my recent post, I very recently became aware of some long-standing issues surrounding Lemmy, particularly its founders/developers/maintainers' attitude towards human rights oppression and human rights in general. I personally wasn't okay with this, which led me to reconsider my support for Lemmy and explore other alternative platforms that are open source and decentralized. That's how I ended up with Kbin, and here's how/why:

In my search for alternatives, I explored both new and familiar options. While some Reddit-like clients based on Nostr (a protocol that I've always been interested in, as I prefer it's relay concept over activitypub's instance) exist, such as Nvote or Zapddit, they either lack active development or fundamental features that define Reddit, such as subreddits (communities) and essential mod tools for moderators. Heck Zapddit requires you to connect your so called Lightning Wallet to simply be able to upvote/downvote posts. Unfortunately, these Nostr-based Reddit alternatives are more similar to Hacker News than Reddit, missing the vital "community" aspect.

Then, we have the well-known alternatives listed here on r/RedditAlternatives for some time now. Starting with Tildes, it is centralized, which brings us back to many of the same issues we face with Reddit (though I appreciate that it is open source). Additionally, Tildes is an invite-only platform, and has been like that for several years now, creating a significant barrier for users who are looking to migrate from Reddit. Other alternatives like FlingUp are closed source and centralized, exactly like Reddit, while decentralized options like discussions.app had the right idea but failed in execution. I was intrigued by P2P alternatives like Aether (which is sadly abandoned and was ephemeral), while Plebbit has an interesting concept but currently only has a demo with long loading times and a poorly copied Reddit UI. Simple things like usernames also seem to be crypto domains based on Ethereum, adding more confusion and complication for the average user.

This exploration led me to ActivityPub and Kbin. In my opinion, ActivityPub is currently the best protocol for a Reddit alternative right now, as it predates Nostr, AT protocol, and others. The protocol is mature and has an established community outside of big tech platforms like Reddit and Twitter. People often believe ActivityPub-based platforms are harder for average users due to server selection, but with the right guidance, more users will understand ActivityPub's concept as it's just as simple as email. Protocols like Nostr may be easy to implement, but the unnecessary crypto-involved mechanisms (like Zapddit had) make the overall user experience complicated or perhaps simply confusing.

With ActivityPub in mind, I chose Kbin not just because it avoids Lemmy's known issues, but also because it has a fairly mature user interface for a younger project. Kbin allows users to both micro-blog individually and post threads to communities like Reddit, combining the best of Mastodon and Lemmy, and bringing both user bases together thanks to federation (ActivityPub), which is crucial for competing with a giant like Reddit. The platform is also more appealing to the average user than Lemmy which can often leave a tech-nerdyy impression to the average user, even though both are based on the same protocol. Therefore, Kbin has greater potential despite being newer.

Launching r/KbinMigration and Guide for New Users

As I move from Lemmy to Kbin, I wanted to take the same initiative I did with Lemmy and r/LemmyMigration, but this time with many more improvements to not only the sub r/KbinMigration itself but also a Guide for new users, as promised in my previous post. This guide answers many common questions users have regarding ActivityPub platforms, specifically Kbin. More updates will be coming to the guide, and if you have any unanswered questions, please let me know. I will make sure to read all of them and provide the necessary updates.

• Archit (u/TheArstaInventor)

EDIT: Thanks to reddit being anti-competitive again, they have banned r/KbinMigration (for spam, when it has 2 pinned posts) and the ban has not been lifted as of now, please do share this to everyone and hopefully we can get it back if Reddit realizes more people are starting to notice it's censorship.

Until then, the Guide will be accessible here.

Thank you for the support, all of you, it means a lot to me, keeps me motivated while making things like the guide.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/TheArstaInventor on 2023-06-09 20:05:15+00:00.

A user recently commented on one of my posts, bringing to my attention the issue of human rights oppression associated with Lemmy's developers. I would like to learn more about this topic, but what I have gathered so far is that this issue would not matter if I were to spin up my own instance with my own rules, as Lemmy is open-source. However, there are other open-source and decentralized alternatives available, such as kbin and zapddit, that don't have these known issues in the first place.

Before becoming a supporter of Lemmy, I had been on Mastodon for years. One of the accounts I followed on Mastodon was Fedi.Tips, who was also a big supporter of Lemmy at the time. However, I recently learned that Fedi.Tips decided not to support Lemmy after all. The user linked to a post from August 2021 that I had missed, in which Fedi.Tips expressed concerns about human rights oppression and other issues surrounding Lemmy. Fedi.Tips made another post on June 2nd, 2023, quoting the old post and confirming that the situation regarding Lemmy still has not changed.

What worries me is that even after two years, it appears that the Lemmy developers have failed to address Fedi.Tips' concerns. They have remained silent since 2021. Fedi.Tips is not only a reputable account with long-standing and active following in the fediverse, Fedi.Tips is also known for it's website/guide helping users join and understand both Mastodon and the Fediverse as a whole. If these concerns were false, Lemmy had ample time to address them.

If Lemmy were the only open-source alternative, I would still consider supporting it, but not the main server run by the developers themselves. However, now that I am aware of these issues, I am considering other alternatives such as Zapddit (I actually got in-touch recently with their devs, after my message to them weeks ago) and Kbin since alternatives do exist. I believe in valuing human rights and peace, and I need to think twice about supporting Lemmy.

I don't want to force anyone to stop using Lemmy, but I recommend you to consider using other instances instead of lemmy.ml or even lemmygrad. As always, please feel free to educate me further on this topic. I wasn't even aware of what "tankies" meant until today, and I now know it doesn't have such a great meaning.

As always please feel free to educate me, all feedback and info is welcome, if you know any other alternatives, that's welcome as well.

For those who truly joined Lemmy (lemmy.ml especially) because of my own posts, I am truly sorry, I wish I learned this earlier, this certainly puts me in a difficult situation, this is not something I thought i'd have to consider as I have always been focusing on favoring platforms for being FOSS (free open source software) like Lemmy, though these issues that I have discovered makes me slow down and reconsider. I certainly don't want to see such form of oppression, Reddit already has it's own censorship here.

I will make another post later when I have more concrete plans, thank you for those who supported me in the meantime, again truly sorry about this, especially for those who do respect human rights like I personally do.

EDIT: Shared by some of the community members here, about the way Lemmy's developers held conversations: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622

And my follow-up post here!

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/JackFromWisconsin on 2023-06-09 19:41:29+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/Fimeg on 2023-06-09 16:08:46+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/hungry_panda_8 on 2023-06-09 12:02:04+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/rglullis on 2023-06-09 11:48:45+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/lemmymigration by /u/bdonvr on 2023-06-09 11:14:25+00:00.

Original Title: Opening up a small general instance to open registration for about 100. Not selling it as it's own community, just a windows for people to get into the larger world of Lemmy (or the "threadiverse" or whatever you wish to call it.) Details in comments.