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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/Eds2356 on 2023-10-07 09:34:44.


The Adeptus Astartes are considered to be demi gods by many normal humans, but what advantages being a guardsman have over being an astartes?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/sjvreeland on 2023-10-07 09:21:26.


I just spent my 12 hours and change listening to the Leviathan novel.

  1. I need to express my appreciation of Ser Keeble for being amazing
  2. I have read/listened to 60+ Black Library books. This was a chore to finish, beyond any middling novel I have experienced.

Maybe I way off base, but this was one of the worst W40k stories I have sat through. By a lot.

What was your Warhammer rock bottom? Didn't have on? Worst story you've experienced.

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/GiantOhmu on 2023-10-07 01:31:22.


Yeah, we know he erased him from existence.

But if I remember right - Horus had a moment of realisation...

Warp and psyker space is timeless...

How long do you think the Emperor trapped him in that moment?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/My_redditaccount657 on 2023-10-06 21:51:21.


In lore, most of the Chaos Marines fighting the imperium were veterans of the Horus Heresy

But 10,000 years later, what is the make up of that number? And does that apply to non-astartes that aligned themselves with the war master?

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Welcome to Whose Line is it Anyway- 40k Edition!

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If some warbands/traitor legions don’t actively worship the chaos gods, or worship/follow something outside of the main four, like Be’lakor or Vashtorr, how does someone obtain a mark?

The Iron Warriors and Night Lords seem to not follow or support chaos, so how do they obtain the benefits from Nurgle, Khorne, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh?

Or is that only a tabletop thing as opposed to a lore thing?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/DirtLarry on 2023-10-06 18:11:39.


One of my best friends is a professor of history, with an emphasis on Latin America, including the Spanish conquistadors, and I recently got him to start reading the Horus Heresy.

He enjoyed Horus Rising, and he told me he doesn't really care about space marines, primarchs or Warp/Chaos mumbo jumbo but he loved the sci-fi setting and the drama of the Great Crusade in particular.

According to him Abnett wrote intelligently and realistically about the strategies and inherent problems in a technologically superior empire subduing and conquering an entire people. My friend said he would love to read more about the Great Crusade.

Are there any other books that talk about the nitty gritty work of bringing a people to compliance? It seems that most of the stories I've come across are just straightforward accounts of planets being massacred due to tragic misunderstandings or the insanity/zeal/whims of certain primarchs. Are there any exceptions to this general trend? Not looking for happy endings - quite the opposite, in fact (that's why I like grimdark in the first place!)- but nuance would be appreciated.

And I guess my question isn't limited only to the Great Crusade and pre-Heresy times. Are there good books about any similar compliance campaigns that take place after the Heresy?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/Commercial-Shallot-5 on 2023-10-07 00:01:40.


During the great crusade I know the empire fought a lot of different xenos and besides the obvious big ones like the orks and eldar etc what were some of the worst ones that the empire destroyed in their campaigns

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/maridan49 on 2023-10-06 19:58:52.


Are they out there? I've heard that most Saints are declared such after their deaths, so that means that Celestine, being the only one able to bring herself back to life, would be the only Saint in actual active duty.

But then have we seen any other potential Saints performing similar miracles around? Have there been any story about a character becoming a Saint in recent canon?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/darthbbane on 2023-10-06 18:36:27.


Pretty big spoiler for fury of Magnus below Minor spoiler for Death and the End Part 1 You have been warned.

During their semi final confrontation in the Throne Room while the Siege of Terra was going on Big E presents Magnus an offer to rejoin him. The whole package with new Legion and all. That could have given the Loyalists the biggest edge in the entire heresy by turning Magnus into the Duracel battery for the Golden Throne he was meant to be and freeing up Big E to take to the field and slap some sense into his sons. Yet the deal is spoiled by requiring Magnus to sacrifice his sons and further drama ensues. So why not tell Magnus the tastiest mouthwatering lie you could possibly come up with to place him on the throne and then deal with his sons later? It is later shown that a transfer of the worlds best lawn chair can be done under these circumstances without terra breaking in half. Just do it without sacrificing your literal right hand man and eliminate one of your major threats in the process

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It feels like so much fanwank to me. It seems so much more likely that the standards were just much higher, and they fought smarter with a better techbase, instead of just legions of Primarchs

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In the sense that he has knowingly spoken to them in the same way that the Emperor and Horus did. Either to make a deal or set terms with them? I know he thinks himself above being used by them, but as their unwitting champion, has he ever been given, summoned, or demanded an audience with them?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/StuffSea264 on 2023-10-06 13:55:28.


Practically every thousand sons sorcerer had a tutelary - as per the name, it was a part of their education and training in using the ways of the warp.

The tutelaries accompanied the thousand sons everywhere… even to Nikaea. Could the emperor / malcador not see the demons in his midst? Or are we to believe that these puny demons were the thousand sons’ best kept secret ever?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/Kristian1805 on 2023-10-06 13:52:40.


Greetings. And Some Spoilers!

Do you want to understand The 14th Primarch? Is Mortarion a bit unclear in your minds eye?

Well, Black Library got just 1 book for You!

If James Swallows Mortarion felt mediocre, Graham McNeil's confused and Chris Wraight's great-but-always-the-antogonist...

David Annandale comes in clutch with Mortarions Primarchs novel.

This book is fundamentally an examination and argument over Mortarions first campaign as leader of the 14th Legion, Death Guard. Established lore has it as a too brutal, too destructive campaign. Clearly meant to foreshadow the Legions downwards path...

Annandale said: Fuck That! Mortarion has taken fare too many L's in arguments and wars, so we are writing him a W!

Two "Glory" Primarchs are sent to judge him, and we learn along with them. Horus and Sanguinius.

Annandale makes 3 big decisions, that collectively vindicates Morty;

  1. The enemy is The Order... the single most inhumanly evil abomination of a human Government ever depicted in 30k and easily rivaling the worst of 40k! This instantly gives the Death Guard the moral high-ground.

  2. The planet Mortarion fights on is a devastated shithole... which means the 14th use of Rad, chemes and other fun stuff isn't damaging the environment.

  3. The Death Guard fights to liberate the civilians from inhuman slavery. They are remarkably careful about not killing the people and Morty is adamant in this. (They are careful by spacesmarine standards... civilians still die... but fare less than expected)

Taken together this makes Mortarions brilliantly fast, brutal and precise War a masterclass on Great Crusade compliance-wars.

But the best comes in the form of Sanguinius... Who is shown as a gigantic Hypocrite!

If you want perspective read "The Passing of Angels" by John French... where the "noble 9th" commits a fare worse, fare more indiscriminate and genocidal war for less reason against less deserving enemies.

Via the perspective of the liberated humans on the planet, the narrative ultimately (imo) vindicates Mortarion.

Yes, this one novella has Mortarion as in the right and badass and Sanguinius as the Hypocrite! A true one of a kind story ;).

So to Death Guard fans, potential Death Guard fans and enjoyers of "alternative Primarchs"...

This is a damm fine read.

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/Niotsques on 2023-10-06 12:55:43.


As the title says I don't know much about it aside from a friend of mine saying its basically the Thu'um from Elder Scrolls but more OP and in 40k?

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/JarnosFr on 2023-10-06 14:02:47.


I was idly wondering how many xenos races were exterminated by the Imperium during their various crusades and xenocides, and I realized that I had a way to calculate it : the Tau Empire. According to the Lexicanum, he Tau Empire is inhabited by 29 named species in it (including the Tau but excluding the humans). Assuming that sentient species are evenly distributed across the galaxy (quite the assumption here, but let's roll with it), we can use a simple cross-multiplication, given the proportionate size of the Tau Empire to the galaxy. I estimated it on a graphic program at around 0.123% of the total size of the inhabited galaxy (using the latest official galaxy map). So the total number of sentient races in the galaxy is more than 23 570, prior to any grubby human tempering.

So, if we assume that the Imperium has followed through all its eradications, and that the only sentient species remaining are the ones listed in the Lexicanum (around 270 total), we can conclude that the Imperium has exterminated more than 23 300 sentient species.

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Context: After the failure of the Second Rubric, Ahriman searches for alternative ways to restore his Legion. As sorcerous ritual failed him, he turns instead to technological means. He seeks the Key of Infinity, a Necron artifact of the Hyksos Dynasty which allows the wielder to rewrite time and space at whim. Relying on the guidance of a cryptek named Setekh, who has obvious ulterior motives, he seeks to traverse the webway to find the Tomb World in question.

The sphere of the world broke. Splits opened its surface. Rock and remaining water tumbled down into the chasms. No fire or molten stone poured from them. On they ran, broadening and linking in straight lines until they stretched across the planet entire. Green lights glowed on the surface and arced into the air. The warp was weeping as Silvanus looked at it. Multicoloured light peeled back from the growing presence of the gate. He could hear the machine-wrights and tech-devotees howling in their code dirge as systems on the ships overloaded. Half-etheric systems and the warp-infused engines that powered their workings were failing.

Silvanus felt sick. Sweat sheened the folds and frills of his skin. There was blood and fluid oozing from the breathing pores on his back. He wanted very much to look away from what he was seeing, to be anywhere else but here watching reality and the warp disassembling. Disassembling… Yes, that was it… Matter manipulated beyond its normal laws and limits, the warp, the great and forever ocean of the warp, pushed away and negated. He was seeing something that should not be, not in reality or in dreams, and he could not help but observe.

The planet came apart. Blocks of matter the size of mountains shunted out, realigned, spun like the moving parts of a vast engine. Blackness filled the spaces within and between. It hung against the curdled light of the Eye, a puzzle toy discarded by a god before it was solved. Then it turned inside out. Space and geometry folded in to where the planet’s core had been. Where there had been a sphere, now there was a funnel opening into a darkness beyond that of the void.

Silvanus stared at it. He realised that he was weeping. Around him, his progeny churned their fluid tanks – some to get away, some to press their eyes against the glass and look. This was like nothing Silvanus had seen before. Navigators existed to behold the impossibility of the warp and chart a course through it. That alone made many of them numb to the new or novel. What was the new or the mundanely shocking when you could see the bubbling cauldron of living thought and nightmare under the skin that most souls believed was the dominant reality? The longer you looked into the warp, the more it showed you all the truths it hid. Echoes of the tortured dead, palaces of lost dreams, futures and pasts, gilded wonder and bloody terror. Silvanus had gone further even than the oldest of his kind. Much further. He had charted courses through the riptides of gods and seen worlds where the immaterial and the physical were fused, and the living changed what was real by whim, will and accidental dream. He had seen the daemon heralds of the gods and spoken to them. All these things had changed him and taught him, so that now he knew that the physical was not the prime reality, but the lesser sibling of the warp – a grey shadow to the Great Ocean’s majesty.

That realisation had given him so much, had stolen some of the terror from what had become of his life, had lent it meaning. It did not help him as he looked at the gate. It stole the softness and comfort of his beliefs and left his throat dry and his mind screaming with the hollow instinct to run. It was like nothing he had seen. No, it was a negation of all that he had seen. This hole bored in warp and reality meant that everything he had come to accept might be wrong, just another layer of lies and incomplete lies piled on top of the others.

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/spenny506 on 2023-10-05 18:47:37.


Is the board game Regicide, in the HH books, chess?

I'm only at Prospero Burns, and it's been brought up a couple times.

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The original was posted on /r/40klore by /u/Woodstovia on 2023-10-06 02:10:56.


Afilai serves in Lucius' warband. A Chemosi born veteran of the Great Crusade he wanted nothing more than to become a terminator and then a member of Fulgrim's Phoenix Guard but wasn't deemed good enough for it. So during the Scouring he hung back during battles and murdered the brothers that lagged behind or got injured and took their armour, crafting an abomination of terminator armour with a machine spirit that hates him for murdering it's former owners.

He serves as the personal bodyguard of Lucius' sorcerer/navigator The Composer and instead of serving in battle with Lucius he just hangs around the ship not doing much. But when Lucius is kidnapped and the Dark Eldar board the ship he goes to face the boarding party alone. When he sees a bunch of Daemonettes have killed them he wipes out a whole room of Daemonettes and checks that the command room is okay he sees it's full of Daemons.

Complicated story cut short - the commander of Lucius' ship is a Daemon wearing the skin of a human child who refuses to go back to Slaanesh's realm. It's able to do this because Lucius protects it and it has sworn an oath to serve Lucius, but with Lucius now off the ship a bunch of Daemons have come to take her back, led by a Keeper of Secrets who has pledged to take her back to Slaanesh.

So Afilai enters the command bridge, sees a fucking Keeper of Secrets and with 0 hesitation lights it up with his bolter:

‘I am known by a great many names,’ the daemon whispered with six voices. ‘And as a great many things.’

Luminous raised its tentacles like a cluster of snakes, their barbed tips drawing close to caressing Clarion’s face but holding just shy of touching. ‘I am the promise of rain to one who dies of thirst. I am ambition, the hunger that moulds tyrants. I am the joyful secrets, and the one who holds the keys to unlock them.’

Luminous leaned down, drawing eyes like black diamonds level with the sharp gold of Clarion’s. ‘Here and now, in this place, I am a collector of things. A collector of you.

’‘I do not accept,’ Clarion answered flatly, choosing now to speak as the daemon spoke.

The daemon reared back, standing to its full towering height. ‘It is you, and not your acceptance that I seek, Lost One. The Scion of Chemos is flown from this place, and his protection with him. Promises have been made. You are to return with us to the Shining Palace. This I have promised, and this I will do.’

‘And you believe he will stand idle and allow your doing this?’ Clarion’s eyes narrowed. ‘He and the Ones he serves?’

‘You overestimate his favour,’ replied the daemon. ‘His pact with you is to be endured when it must, but the Soulthief’s protection does not extend across the blood- and- bone place of mortals, nor even all of the Realm of Birth. It is far from inviolate.’

Iron screamed as Luminous ripped its sword free, the silver blade throbbing with squirming multicoloured runes. It levelled the blade at Clarion, resting its tip at the centre of the child’s forehead. A thin trickle of black blood slipped down to drip onto the throne from the end of her nose.

‘Strip yourself of the flesh you hide within, or I shall take the great pleasure of stripping it from you.’

The doors to the bridge ground open. A warrior in rent Terminator armour stomped onto the command deck, draped in the smouldering gore of butchered daemonkind. The ectoplasm fizzed and popped as it burned away from the pulsing warding runes that covered the armour’s plates.

Without a word, Afilai raised the massive cannon in his fist, and opened fire.

Luminous writhed in pleasure- pain as bolts stitched and exploded over its body. The shells blew fist- sized craters in its pale silken flesh, spraying gouts of sickly- sweet foulness over the bridge. The daemon brayed in a hircine bellow that rattled the walls, and stalked around Clarion’s throne towards Afilai. The Terminator spread his stance wide as he fired upon the advancing daemon. A rune flashed insistently on his visor, the Chemosian character meaning starved. A moment later the crash of his combi- bolter ceased as the last shells in his magazine screamed from its twin barrels.

Afilai dropped the underslung box magazine from the boltgun. He reached down to crunch another home but a snarl of tentacles snapped taut around the weapon, tearing it from his grip.

‘Now, now, little flesh- thing,’ Luminous drawled. ‘That was a pleasing diversion, but this is not the time for play.’

The daemon swung its sword down in a blistering overhand strike. Afilai caught the blade within his talons in a thunderclap of duelling energies that crackled and snapped as the weapons squealed against each other.

Luminous wrapped its tentacles around Afilai’s waist, jerking him forwards into the air and impaling him upon its talon- like claw. Afilai bellowed in pain and anger. He reached out with his free hand, seizing hold of the daemon’s lower jaw. He roared and pulled down with all his might, tearing it from the monster’s face.

An orchestral howl tore from Luminous’savaged maw. The daemon’s grip upon Afilai relaxed a fraction, enough for him to shove himself off the talon and stagger back a step. Only the armour’s comprehensive stabilisers kept him from sinking to his knees, as blood and poison spilled out from the gaping wound in his side.

Afilai scrambled forwards, ignoring the lashing tentacles that tore into his helm as he charged. He smashed into Luminous and buried his electrified talons into the daemon’s flank. The wards on his war- plate blazed, and coils of burnt perfume rolled from the Neverborn’s hide.

A backhanded strike sent Afilai reeling back, his armour scraping and sparking. Luminous snapped down with its pincer claw, seeking to crush the Terminator from collar to hip. Armour integrity warnings wailed across Afilai’s retinas as blood flecked the inside of his helm.

Starbursts of cold agony ripped across Afilai as both he and the daemon were engulfed in a gale of silver lightning. The combatants were forced apart, wilting under the etheric barrage. Afilai screamed, and through the incredible pain he felt the presence of the one casting the attack. Expressions of psychic power were as unique to each psyker as a fingerprint, and the Terminator smiled with broken teeth as he recognised the essence of his master wracking his body with torment.

‘Away, servant of the True God,’ bellowed the Composer as he advanced onto the bridge, lightning coruscating from his splayed fingers. ‘These lives are not yours to take.’

The composer shoos the Daemons away but I found it impressive how brave Afilai was considering he's just this random side character who has done nothing but stand beside The Composer throughout the book.

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Because look at this thing. It's a third the size of his sword somehow. The moment of leverage it applies to Abby's neck has got to be brutal. And without structural support, it'll just flop around everywhere. So, why? Why risk such a gaudy thing interfering with his sword, gun, and jetpack?

Tradition, and a remnant of Cthonia? A convenient way to make a miniature stand out on table-top, that can be painted first and assembled later? That's what they want you to think. But open your eyes, and you'll see the Orks also have that really dumb hair.

But Orks are mushrooms, and mushroom caps are naturally bald. Ork hair is a squig, a little mini-Ork that bites people.

Now, why would the Warmaster of Chaos have a small, hairy creature constantly bite him in the head? Besides explaining why he always has that look on his face like something's gnawing the back of his neck.

  • The constant biting will ground Abaddon in reality. Horus failed by overdosing on Warp Juice, and Aba Don't want any of that weakness.
  • Hair squigs are still Orkz- a Xenos race that's notoriously hard for Chaos to corrupt. Keeping one grafted to his brain will add that extra buffer against going "Full Horus."
  • It's an emergency weapon. If he's ever disarmed, ABBA can just grunt really hard and eject the hair squig as a flying, biting weapon.
  • He may or may not have lost a bet with Tzeentch around year 34K.
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Who are some the most underutilized big name characters in the lore in both 40k and 30k?

Personal picks:

30k) Kelbor-Hal - The most important non Astartes/Primarch traitor. Never around really.

40k) Yvraine? Kind of a meme at this point. But still true.

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For most of my career, I was a primary producer and looked at management as a hassle.

That’s still mostly true, but I didn’t appreciate the effects on the producers from a logistical standpoint. Beans, bullets and bandages is more than a trope - good administration can mean the difference between a producer “winning” and getting completely annihilated in the workplace.

Big newfound respect for the super admin. Not as sexy as wings or sheer power - but damn if it isn’t a huge force multiplier.

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So far in the fandom I've found 3 images of the Imperium so far:

  • The pure good, or at least fully justified evil: The Imperium is doing the physically best it can with no moral flaws or corrupt members. You have to be fascist because devils will eat you for even thinking about anything else. GW has gestured against this view by having the Thunderhead Minecrafties thrive without fascism.
  • The Hanlon good or Hanlon antiheroic: Despite its truly good intentions, the Imperium labors under red tape, conflicting interests, and simple logistical failure. At the same time they're rarely above antiheroic methods such as repression and mundicide even if they intend good things to happen because of it. Personally I am most loyal to this view as it fits the corruption and bureaucratic bloat of the Imperium along with their stated goals.
  • The no-good lying Minecraft Wither: The Imperium seeks genocide and oppression simply as goals, not means, and their "good intents" are merely lies to hide behind. Keeping its citizens alive is simply a necessary stepping stone to the Imperium's actively malicious goals. I unfortunately don't have much to argue against this one.

I feel that 1 and 3 miss the point by assuming the Imperium is a single omniscient minmaxer rather than a cloud of conflicting interests.

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I’m aware it took quite some time for Cawl to actually create them, but I don’t know if we have any specifics. Are there any books which elucidate what the Primaris did while on Mars and under Cawl’s supervision prior to the Indomitus Crusade?

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Abaddon isn't shy about his negative opinions on Horus after the Heresy failed. So why does the Black Legion use his symbol as their own? I can't find an answer searching online. I know the Abaddon quote "From shame and shadow recast. In Black and gold reborn." Is the eye symbol, like their black armor, supposed to serve as a reminder of their failure? Or was this just a writing oversight and now its just not talked about or acknowledged?

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