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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. Hold fast against the barbarians at the gates.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Exactly, nothing changed about them.

This week I learned that online version Microsoft Teams outright refuses to make calls of it runs on Firefox. They are doing the same exact shit they did two decades ago.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

So THIS is why teams doesn't work for me on Firefox anymore, Jesus. Welp, I can spoof my user string

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh, really? I'll have to try that out. I only use Teams on my work computer (Mac), but Linux at home. All of our interviews are over teams, so I wonder if that's an issue for our applicants.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

So in my case, something broke with intune. I was told to use office.com for time being.

While that works, when I tried to call it told me that I should use chrome or edge.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think Google maps does something similar with Firefox, where it won't zoom in with the mouse wheel--only the '+' and '-' buttons work. It also seems to lag quite a bit on Firefox. On chrome it works just fine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That's wrong. I use Firefox and maps just fine

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hold fast against the barbarians at the ~~gates~~ Gates.

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Nah. We're the barbarians with Romans at our gates.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've not seen a true example of this in over a decade. I feel like Microsoft becoming the biggest corporate contributor to open source has changed my outlook on Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

imagine microsoft promoting guides to use the terminal which was deemed outdated, slow and complicated legacy in the past.

Give it two or three more major teleases, then windows will be a DE runnining on some *nix-ish kernel. Microsoft is really learning the hard way.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they actually change the kernel to something new and modern, I might just find a little respect to give to them

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will die laughing the day that Windows becomes a linux distro.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean it wouldn't be that surprising, they make all their money on corporate installs. A service based Linux type system which has all the same spyware and issues as windows being a good business decision for them doesn't seem like a victory, just a corporation doing a capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the rumors for 12/CoreOS are saying it's going to be in Rust.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If true, it must be a thin client then. I just can't imagine they'll rewrite the kernel in Rust. That would be awesome, but super error prone if they're going to try to maintain backward compatibility. GUI in Rust is also painful, so I doubt it's that either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't quote me on this but i recall seeing something a while back about how a significant part of the windows kernel was already ported to rust. The windows kernel has been fairly decoupled from the UI layer for a while, that was one of the big efforts in the 8.1 and 10 versions: to have a core that xbox, phone, and desktop could all share.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Huh, it looks like Windows 11 is including Rust to some degree in the kernel. I wonder how far they'll take it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

We are now offering the MS Linux Introductory CD at a special introductory price of only $249.99 (plus shipping and handling), if you order before it ships.

A bargain in 2003 dollars.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

truly we live in a bizarre world

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel that way every time I start vscode. A fast, high quality, open-source, cross-platform IDE - on Electron of all things - made by Microsoft? It's so weird.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

as the article points out, they did actually do some good things
also, check out VSCodium. A cleaned up version of VSCode (I assume that name was inspired by Chromium, a cleaned up version of Google Chrome)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Chromium is the engine Google Chrome is based on, not the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’ve said this before but I believe windows will merge Linux into it before too long. It’s starting with WSL. It’ll be hybrid OS eventually

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You can already run basically any Linux application, even graphical ones, on Windows through WSL. But at that point, why would you even keep putting up with Windows?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

All the power of Linux, with the annoyances of windows... A perfect world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Suppose you work maintaining both Windows and Linux infrastructure, having both in one OS is useful.

Or if you want Windows for gaming, not having to reboot is nice.

However, I've been Linux only for >10 years now, so I obviously don't see any value in WSL. I tried it a few times and it was neat, but ultimately not something I care about.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I've been Linux only for >10 years now

Same. Tried to remote administrate a Windows 10 VM with Ansible a couple years back. Not a fun experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's handy if you have use windows for something and you keep having to look up bloody powershell equivalents for bash commands.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know some people like it, but I'll die on the hill that WSL sucks compared to the real thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I want to like, because well I want to have an OS that just works on my work computer, but at least my experience has been less then optimal.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

50% Windows, 50% Linux, 100% garbage!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If that first 50% runs my applications flawlessly, I'm all for it. I do not want to dual boot and Linux doesn't meet my needs yet.

50% Linux means developers are more likely to create Linux applications which is a step closer to 100% Linux

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Non-emulated AutoCAD and Ableton with full VST support are two big ones. Last I checked there were still ASIO driver issues with my audio interface (Scarlett 18i8), too.

I know things have come a long way since I last mained Ubuntu but I'm not interested in jumping through hoops to get it going even if it's "possible" when they work natively without issue on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not going to happen. Money is good, but we are too addicted to freedom already.

Even if it happened for whatever reason, that'd make most users fall back to "vanilla" versions of Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most important installation method is missing, though. Installing Linux to the hard drive, replacing Windows.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)