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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it's an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

I wonder what is the percentage of nuts tech ceos.

Seems to be abnormally high

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago

I think it's just really rich people, but tech CEOs are in this terminally online culture so not only does it all end up out there but they seem to feed off each other and try to bizarrely one up each other.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (4 children)

Once you start getting real money, you start noticing how much is going to taxes.

Even though the net income is more money than you've ever seen in your life, and the meagre fraction that is going to welfare is abysmally small, yet was a true lifeline to you when you needed it mere weeks ago... it still makes your blood boil knowing you're not getting everything you feel you deserve.

Imagine that amplified x 10, and you can see how a CEO might feel that they're throwing tens of thousands a month on what they feel are undeserving recipients. All they see are the zeroes, not the percentage.

TL;DR - we all inhabit the same planet, but we live in different worlds.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

This isn't directly related, but I hate when payroll programs show me a damn pie chart of how much money goes to taxes. I know what I yearly salary pre tax is and I know roughly what my paychecks are. I intentionally avoid math comparing the two.

But yeah, like you said, the bigger the amount you make, the more you're like "wait, I'm losing how much?"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

Good or bad, sane or nuts, at a certain point you just end up being utterly out of touch with daily reality.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

I see a lot of good discussion here. I've been on proton for years now, using my own domain. While true that Andy is one of 5 board members, and it's a nonprofit etc, these statements are raising hairs on my neck, personally.

Does anyone have a good guide on problems associated with self-hosting email?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

You're gonna need a few books and a full time engineer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I think the main difficulty is getting companies like Gmail to recognize your domain as legitimate, as they don't by default

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

By default it should be OK. The problem is if your IP was previously used by someone bad before it recycled to you.

But it you have a server for a decade and have held the IP the whole time, you should be OK if you setup your email server correctly (which you probably won't)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 hours ago

Setting up is a piece of cake but getting your emails through spam filters can be a pain.

Have you considered Tuta?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Damn, this sucks. I fled Google for Proton and use it for email, files, and my own domain email.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Is he right about the start of the anti-trust action ?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 hours ago (13 children)

Another tech dipshit, whose wealth allows him to exist outside the realm of reality, bending the knee to an anti-democratic felon rapist so he can get some handouts.

Pathetic loser.

Growing up, if you had told me half or more of America would end up elevating a rapist to the presidency and prostrating themselves at his feet, I'd have laughed you out of the room. This nation has sunk LOW.

NordVPN is superior in every way. If you have ProtonVPN, dump it and swap to Nord.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

framing him as a "tech dipshit" is a mistake, i feel. though it's definitely true lmao

like all things we should use class to analyse their motivation, and in this case it's very clear - andy, like mark zuckerburg, elon musk, and jeff bezos, is simply looking after his own interests as a member of the ruling class (that is, the class that owns the means of production under a capitalist system) by ingratiating himself with americas new ruler.

these people will always look after their own class interests before anything else, and it's through class analyses that we can identify their motivations. here he's simply trying to raise his own status within his class.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Growing up, if you had told me half or more of America would end up elevating a rapist to the presidency and prostrating themselves at his feet, I'd have laughed you out of the room. This nation has sunk LOW.

Bill Clinton won reelection. Now, granted, he was not Trump levels, he was a piece of shit who at the very least abused his role and power over women. Now, even after me too, he's a beloved elder statesman. Just saying, the nation has sunk lower, but I don't know that's a lot lower than where we were when we were kids.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Just saying, the nation has sunk lower, but I don’t know that’s a lot lower than where we were when we were kids.

Definitely disagree. A convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who incited an insurrection against our government, illegally attempted to overturn an election, fumbled his response to the greatest American crisis since WW2, removed women's rights, and attempts to divide Americans whenever his mouth opens is about to be sworn in as our leader.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

he was a piece of shit who at the very least abused his role and power over women.

And bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Libya to distract people from the fact he couldnt keep it in his pants

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

FYI, Nord no longer allows port forwarding as of a couple years ago. Proton is one of the few providers who still have that feature.

Compare:

https://support.nordvpn.com/hc/en-us/articles/19483392309649-Does-NordVPN-offer-port-forwarding

https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 14 hours ago (16 children)

The official @[email protected] account replied and doubled down

[email protected] - @jonah

Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

1/2

[email protected] - @jonah By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

2/2

(Less importantly, my response)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

This is a lot worse look than Andy saying something on Twitter. It's one thing for a board member to express an opinion as an individual, it's another to have an explicit corporate position... I don't even think the usual big tech suspects are this stupid to publicly support an administration like this.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 13 hours ago (9 children)

So sounds like their main concern is addressing the abuses of the FAANG monopolies, and only a Republican has talked to them about it.

I guess that is understandable in that very narrow lens, but it's a bit laughable considering how all the big tech companies are also cozying up to the Trump administration. All this has done for me is make me wary of anything Proton does now.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

These fuckers act like they've never heard of Lina Khan. Let's see if Republicans try to replace her with someone with a stronger track record. Or, if they're so serious about tech competition maybe they'll get on board with net neutrality.

And look, I actually like Gail Slater (the Trump nominee that kicked off this thread). She's got some bona fides, and I welcome Republicans taking antitrust more seriously, and rolling back the damage done by Robert Bork and his adherents (including and probably most significantly Ronald Reagan).

But to pretend that Democrats are less serious about antitrust than Republicans ignores the huge moves that the Biden administration have made in this area, including outside of big tech.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 12 hours ago (10 children)

I literally just switched over from Google a few months ago and finally got all settled in. Just great. Does anyone know of any good alternative? I know Tuta exists, are there other options?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

FWIW if you switched once then next switch is RADICALLY easier.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I wouldn’t say he embraced Trump, I’d say he is pro-breaking big tech, since that would probably help Proton.

Bernie Sanders even came out and said “hey, if Trump wants to cap credit card interest rates, I’m with him on that.”

Trump says a lot of shit to appeal to working class people. I don’t disagree with reminding him of what he said and holding him to those things, if he’s now going to be president.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Under the divine guidance of Elon Musk, I strongly doubt if emperor Trump will break any big tech. More likely he'll pat them on the back (while requiring more surveillance data to be submitted).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

This. Fuck Trump, but he does occasionally do good things, even if for all the wrong reasons. NAFTA was terrible for labour. That's not why he hated it, though.

And taxing imported oil is great. Thought we need to tax or ban domestic carbon extraction too.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Why does he think Trump is against big tech when he's working side by side with Musk?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 13 hours ago

He doesn't. it's just lube to help his customers swallow his bullshit

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