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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Or maybe he’s just a cunt, what with all the murdering people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I know this is a circle-jerk meme, but I'mma pitch my two cents anyway.

If we are talking about the Abrahamic god... "he" is both good and evil. So no; to be omnipotent one must also be responsible for evil. Kinda duh.

I could go on, but that right there is pretty much all that needs to be said regarding that god in particular. Good and Evil are man-made concepts, and subjective as all hell.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Good and Evil are man-made concepts, and subjective as all hell.

Gotta get all D&D True Neutral Druidic on this and recognize life as a cycle. The wolf eats the lamb, the lamb eats the grass, the grass eats the bodies of them both. What is good here? What is evil?

To eliminate "evil" one must do far worse things than murder. One must assert one's will over the very foundations of nature itself.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Where God is humanist principle, and God is a humanist, then circularly, principle exists without micromanaging intervention in perpetuity.

The old testament is extremely problematic. Israelite hasbara coup. Polytheistic relgion at the time was Canaanite. The descendants of Noah's grandson. El was main god, that Israel is named after, and all other god's were his offspring. Greek rule over the region, had Greeks say that all of the major Canaanite gods were the same as the Greek gods, with El as Zeus. Yahweh was the tribal god of Israelites. But it is basically very easy for any priest to invent a new god, based on narrower factional/fertility needs to collect revenue for rewarding the priest to champion your tribe/goals contrary to humanism.

The problems with old testament start with 10 commandments

There is no god before me (Yahweh), is a coup over El.

"Though shalt not covet/idolatrize" was an insurection cry over Canaanites where Yahweh orders the Israelites to destroy all idols of Canaanites instead of valuing their silver/gold content. El/God had no desire to repress worship, and their priests accepted offerings and sacrifices, so why not idolatry.

"Honour thy father/parents" codifies law at the time that gave parents the right to have the state execute their children for "dishonour".

Just as all Churches today have as mission to maximize their power through alliance with state/authority/hierarchy, so have all religion through time. A cult is simply a religion without state approval. God exists without church corruption. Prayer has no measurable effect, but Abrahamic religions being rooted in a lie could be one explanation. Still, that evil exists, doesn't imply that humanism/principle doesn't exist, just that you individually have the power for evil, and tyranny/autocracy has power because you are deluded to allow/tolerate it, and evil happens from the greed and desperation it fosters. Evil exists because we are too collectively stupid and gullible to organize ourselves around evil.

https://www.naturalfinance.net/2022/11/the-invention-of-truth.html

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Well the theological explanation is that what we consider evil or suffering is just a necessary function of God's world.

Would a world truly without any sort of hardship or strife be worth living in?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The argument still stands; god is either incapable of creating a universe without suffering where you can still derive meaning, or is not willing to create one.

The only potential explanation I could see is the absolutes in which we set things. The paradox of an ultimate being is flawed (could god microwave a burrito so hot that not even he could eat it?) because it presumes that the being exists within the confines of two opposing absolutes cannot coexist; something either is, or isn’t. However, if some being would be considered supreme in our universe, it could be because it exists outside of its confinements, meaning that conflicting realities (paradoxes) are possible - the burrito is both not too hot for god to eat, while at the same still being too hot for him to eat. It’s just not possible for us to comprehend because in our understanding of reality, something cannot exist simultaneously as the opposite of what we’ve recognized it as. It would mean it either no longer fits the definition, or reality exists in a way that’s so much more complicated at the same time.

It’s often expressed in multiverses in a lot of fictional settings; a universe where god made a burrito so hot not even he could eat it, and a parallel universe where he could, and both universes are both observable and interactable with god. But even then, it’s kinda brain-melting, like some kind of nuclear-hot brain burrito.

I’m sorry, I’m kind of hungry.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Would a world truly without any sort of hardship or strife be worth living in?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Would a world truly without any sort of hardship or strife be worth living in?

Of course. You can challenge yourself without hardship. It would just be on your own terms instead of whatever bullshit other people or circumstance is constantly throwing at us.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Voltaire has a great novella called Candide about a philosopher who thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. It's hilarious.

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