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[–] [email protected] 37 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

fnuny meme but if you read the article i don’t think calling them “centrist” is defensible:

Mr. Aboutboul is a founding member of Students for Standing Together, a new student group at U.C.L.A. that aims to unite Israelis and Palestinians to call for a cease-fire in Gaza.

so these “centrists” are doing statistically better than your representatives. the comments here talking about “only committing a half genocide” are just doing bad faith echo chamber discourse, which i don’t find the be productive.

At Columbia University, Aharon Dardik, an Israeli American student, formed a group called CU Jews for Ceasefire after finding that his viewpoint wasn’t fully reflected in the main pro-Palestinian student movement. He is a pacifist who spent his teen years with his family in the West Bank but who ultimately refused to serve in the army in Israel. He believes in working with Israelis and Palestinians toward collective liberation and a world not divided by ethnonationalist allegiances.

Dr. Waxman also became a target of right-wing pro-Israel groups, including after he wrote on social media that he supported the International Criminal Court’s request for an arrest warrant for Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, a position he said he took as a supporter of international law.

no hate to OP but let’s laugh loudly at the ones who deserve to be scoffed and mocked, not the people who are actively supporting Palestinian emancipation. i’m sure there’s stuff to be criticized in these folks but if there is, find it and call it the fuck out specifically instead of hand-waving “centrist”—especially when doing so just deplatforms the underrepresented Jewish Anti-Zionist population.

(honestly let’s laugh at whoever wrote and approved that headline, it does no service here.)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

The most middle of the road opinion on Israel-Palestine issue is the two state solution. It worked on Northern Ireland with the Good Friday Agreement and it should work between Israel and Palestine. Many scholars from both sides also want to use NI peace deal as the blueprint. Compromise is the key just like with Protestants and Catholics did in Northern Ireland.

The problem is, of course radicals from both Palestine and Israel do not want this because-- well-- they're radical.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

Yeah those radical Palestinians, not wanting half their home cut off for colonizers.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented” is a quote by Elie Wiesel from his 1986 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Or you can just not have an opinion on a subject. It's ok to not have an opinion sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

How is it ok to not have an opinion on genocide?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago
  1. Being "ok" with anything is completely subjective and a personal choice. There is no law that says I have to have an opinion on every subject.

  2. I'm against innocent people being hurt or killed in general.

My experience on this platform tells me if a person or persons set out to kill every Trump supporter, or murder every billionaire, you people would be celebrating. Hypothetical I admit, but it's my opinion most of you would be ok with genocide as long as it targets people you don't like/support.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's not okay to not have an opinion on the bombs you're paying for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sure it is. There are many things my taxes are paying for that I don't have an opinion on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

"You can't be neutral on a moving train."

You can choose to not have an opinion, but that just means you're siding with the genocide. There's no neutral option.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

We must only kill half the Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 day ago (25 children)

If you don't support indigenous resistance to occupation, you're on the side of the occupation. There is no center.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

Next you're going to tell me the Cardassians were the bad guys.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 21 hours ago

At my university the police literally threaten anyone who tries to be pro Palestine… every Jewish group is pro zionist

[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yep. Also calling it the“Israel-Hamas war” is propaganda. Makes it sound like the only people dying in Palestine are Hamas soldiers, which is obviously nowhere near the truth.

Centrists are literally just anti-opinion and spineless.

Free Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 16 hours ago

Centrist just support the status quo. So if the status quo is genocide then they just support genocide.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When one side is committing genocide and the other side wants no genocide, you don't pick the middle and support half-genocide.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (16 children)

More accurate would be "Committing genocide" and "Wants to commit genocide but doesn't have the guns", with the majority of the actual population on both sides (rather than the politicians and emboldened extremists) just wanting to not be genocided. Personally I'm picking the "chuck the politicians in a hole and let the people live" option. No idea what the ideal solution looks like but I feel like getting the fascists and religious extremists on both sides out of the equation would be a good starting point

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago

Centrist opinions be like Six million Western European Jews were killed in the holocaust so millions of Eastern European and American Jews, who were supported by the Nazi’s, deserve to kill any middle easterner that stands against the formation of their own imperialist state

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