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Has tipping in America reached a tipping point? (www.cbsnews.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Summary

Tipping in America has expanded into unexpected areas, with 72% of Americans saying it is expected in more places than five years ago, according to Pew Research.

While tipping can release feel-good neurotransmitters, a Bankrate survey found two-thirds of Americans now view it negatively, and one-third feel it’s “out of control.”

Critics highlight issues like social pressure and wage inequality, while businesses attempting no-tipping models, like a New York wine bar, have struggled to sustain them.

Many believe tipping culture has become excessive, with calls for reform growing.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Fuck all tipping. Fuck unclear prices. Fuck variable service.

Put clear prices. Expect consistent service. Pay fair wages.

If it's about low pay. Why not expect businesses to pay fair liveable wages like every other industry?

If it's about quality of service. Why do you not expect good service every time? Why do you not also tip your doctor for good service or the construction workers who ensured the roads are good for you to use?

Idiotic inconsistencies and morons everywhere defending it. Only in recent years are people finally taking notice, but 10 years ago oh I'm an asshole for suggesting tipping should be banned in favor of consistency, clear prices, and fair wages.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of tipped workers defend it because waiters can make good money for their qualifications, but what they don't understand is that they should be making that amount of money without requiring tips.

The problem is that when a restaurant increases prices, they don't share the extra income with the staff.

Hell, Subway has doubled the prices in like 3 years AND started asking for tips for the staff.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, if you're the asshole for suggesting it, then I'm right there being an asshole with you. I still tip, because I want the people who serve me to be able to take care of themselves, but ideally, that shouldn't be my fucking responsibility. It should be their employer's. It's a fucking barbaric system that puts service workers' ability to put food on the table in the hands of entitled Karens and reduces them to begging for a decent wage.

There's a cider bar that opened in my town recently with a strict no-tipping policy, and holy shit, is it ever refreshing to not have to deal with that rigamarole.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If it were about quality of service, you would tip before receiving the service. The waiter doesn't know how much you're gonna tip, so their quality of service will never change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That’s the weirdest argument ever. You tip on the basis of the quality of service. The server learns from feedback and training how to improve quality. It’s not a one and done situation, but a constant feedback and refinement.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (25 children)

If your business can't survive without my tips, you don't have a viable business.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

But also, if you can't survive without my tips, you're probably working in the American service sector.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I don't tip businesses, I tip people. Some of those people own the business.

If you underpay people to rely on tips, you're just playing the game on a harder level.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I bought a couple of sweaters online today, and the order form asked for a tip.

No.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

There's an option to tip at the self check out at my grocery store. The fuck ám I tipping? It's self check out. Am I tipping myself? Fuck these people

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

You're just giving the large corporation a little walking around money, for their wonderful service, of profitably running a store! You're so nice!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You're tipping the kiosk that provided the service. I guess.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Great, can we get one that can scan things the first time? They can scan one thing maybe every 10 seconds.

Or maybe a more responsive OS, like something that’s not Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm no longer tipping just because the stupid kiosk asks me to and making me feel guilty... If it's not a normally tipped position such as server, bartender, or barista, I'm going to default to tapping no. It's gotten ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

A vape shop I go to added it to their checkout kiosk. These people are literally just ringing up my purchase for me like any other retail cashier. I fucking hate it because they just stand there staring at me as I'm forced to decline the tip as if it's reflective of their service and not the fact that it's a bullshit system.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

at tobacco shop

POS: add a tip?

...for what, death?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

Don't forget to tip your landlord!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Other than the idiotic healthcare system and politics, tipping is probably my least favorite thing about the US. No-tipping works elsewhere, and it can work in the US.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

This is the dark side of Nudge theory. People need to practise refusing and it will stabilize. I tip handsomely when I want to and I refuse when I don't. Sometimes I feel irrational guilt. I sit with the guilt for a while, then it's gone.

Tip when you want as much as you want and no more. Refuse to listen to anyone who tells you that this is morally wrong.

Peace.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck all tipping.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This. Make people quit their serving jobs because of the lack of tips. Create a demand for servers that forces employers to actually pay a living wage.

Every single time you tip you are perpetuating this system. Stop.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Being overwhelmed with tip prompts has broken my tipping guilt. I feel like half the time people work don't get or see those tips.

Sit down restaurants absolutely. Delivery yeah.

Pick up nah, you walk something 2 feet to me nah. Fuck tipping culture, pay your people right and charge accordingly don't keep tacking on shit, tip charge, service charge, every other fucking sneak at the bill only charge now a days.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was at a sit down recently where the lowest tip selectable without entering a dollar amount was 18%. 10% used to be the standard for competent service, 15%-20% for outstanding service. Now the quality of service is worse because they're underataffed, and they expect me to tip more?? Get real.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

The lowest "suggested" option has crept up to 20% in many places. A 15% tip is already adjusted for inflation. Now you want 20?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

With no taxes on tips (if it actually happens), expect a HUGE increase in tip expectations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Also with the elimination of overtime pay (if it happens) workers will doubly be expecting higher tips.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, us neurodivergent people don't get dopamine hits from that kind of thing. We know the money isn't really going to the worker in many cases anyway. It's just going directly to the business to pay their employees normal wages which should be part of the cost of the product, not an add on charge. It just means they didn't have to raise their prices with inflation.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Apparently there are now tip prompts on digital payment terminals for payday loans…

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I've stopped shopping anywhere where tipping is required. Tyvm I'll order online and pick up my food myself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

anywhere where tipping is required.

If it's required, it's a fee not a tip.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I still tip, but if I see a tip screen I clear it and then add a tip or not or tip cash

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